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17th April 13, 02:07 PM
#41
 Originally Posted by Wil
I think this is GREAT!!! I would kill to have a restricted tartan with the paperwork to prove it.
So far, we've not seen a photo of the actual kilt, so a letter simply saying that a given tartan is restricted is not proof that the kilt in question is of that tartan.
Personally, I'm more surprised that it was possible to register two different tartans so similar to one another. The SRT requires a certain degree of real difference between an existing registered tartan, and a new tartan application. As similar as the Princess Mary and the KG6 tartan are, I would have thought they'd be seen as not different enough to separately register. Granted, the SRT hasn't been the only registration body over the years.
KEN CORMACK
Clan Buchanan
U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, USA
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17th April 13, 02:22 PM
#42
Originally Posted by unixken
So far, we've not seen a photo of the actual kilt, so a letter simply saying that a given tartan is restricted is not proof that the kilt in question is of that tartan.
Personally, I'm more surprised that it was possible to register two different tartans so similar to one another. The SRT requires a certain degree of real difference between an existing registered tartan, and a new tartan application. As similar as the Princess Mary and the KG6 tartan are, I would have thought they'd be seen as not different enough to separately register. Granted, the SRT hasn't been the only registration body over the years.
Bolding is mine- That was my thought as well. If the only difference between the two is thread count, and the actual thread counts are not recorded, only the order of colour-changes, how, technically, are these two tartans actually different?
A slightly different size to the green 'background' field is a pretty minimal difference.
Of course, all of this is somewhat academic, as we've still not seen an actual pic of the tartan itself.
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17th April 13, 02:38 PM
#43
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17th April 13, 02:47 PM
#44
Originally Posted by The Wizard of BC
A look through the Scottish Tartan Authority give these results.
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These would all appear to me to be different and distinct Tartans.
I think the one in question is the George VI tartan.
Colour Sequence: WRKRGKWKYKBG
Thread Count: Available to STA members only
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Sadly I can't pull the actual thread-count w/o being a member.
edit: to my admittedly untrained eye, it bares a striking similarity to the Princess Mary Tartan.
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Last edited by artificer; 17th April 13 at 02:49 PM.
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17th April 13, 03:51 PM
#45
The threadcount for King George VI W4-S4-K4-S10-G24-K4-W6-K4-Y4-K16-BL6-G84
Princess Mary G96-G8-FSB8-K12-GO4-K4-DW4-K4-G16-DR8-K4-DR8-DW4
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17th April 13, 03:58 PM
#46
Princess Mary
Thread Count - G96-G8-FSB8-K12-GO4-K4-DW4-K4-G16-DR8-K4-DR8-DW4
Stewart Green
Thread Count - DR8-G44-G8-FSB8-K12-GO4-K4-DW4-K4-G16-DR8-K4-DR8-DW4
This appears to be the sum total of the difference between these two. The width of the green, and an additional thin red stripe.
KEN CORMACK
Clan Buchanan
U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, USA
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17th April 13, 04:08 PM
#47
Unnixken <<Princess Mary Thread Count - G96-G8-FSB8-K12-GO4-K4-DW4-K4-G16-DR8-K4-DR8-DW4
Stewart Green Thread Count - DR8-G44-G8-FSB8-K12-GO4-K4-DW4-K4-G16-DR8-K4-DR8-DW4
This appears to be the sum total of the difference between these two. The width of the green, and an additional thin red stripe.>>
Yes, this is perhaps why the Princess Mary has been known also as Green Stewart.
The OP's tartan, as he named it, was King George VI, with a slightly different count, although this too was sometimes called Green Stewart! 
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17th April 13, 04:08 PM
#48
Originally Posted by kilted scholar
The threadcount for King George VI W4-S4-K4-S10-G24-K4-W6-K4-Y4-K16-BL6-G84
Princess Mary G96-G8-FSB8-K12-GO4-K4-DW4-K4-G16-DR8-K4-DR8-DW4
EDIT: A couple of posts have happened since I started typing (and image grabbing), but according to the sample images from the STA they're all but identical apart from the spacing.
Again, I'm not tartan scholar, but these appear practically identical apart from the spacing (which can even vary from mill to mill or in various weight material).
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Last edited by artificer; 17th April 13 at 04:09 PM.
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17th April 13, 04:26 PM
#49
Originally Posted by artificer
Again, I'm not tartan scholar, but these appear practically identical apart from the spacing (which can even vary from mill to mill or in various weight material).
And... the thread counts are not absolute. Tell your weaver that you want the tartan produced with a 7-inch sett for your kilt, and the weaver will vary the thread counts proportionally, to produce the requested sett size, for a given fabric weight.
This thread is going nowhere, without a good photo of the kilt in question.
KEN CORMACK
Clan Buchanan
U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, USA
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18th April 13, 04:51 AM
#50
The exact thread count, while interesting for identification purposes, has little or no bearing on the original problem. All three of these tartans are similar enough to be confused with each other on first glance. Anyone recognizing the tartan would know that it is either a tartan restricted to use by the royal family, or very close. For me, that would preclude wearing the kilt, at least in public, no matter how well it fit. Possible legal ramifications aside, it would be considered by some to be in extremely bad taste at the very least.
Unsolicited advice: Store it away, sell it to a collector or donate it to a museum and move on, chalking it up to a learning experience.
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