Madonna

[Kiltbear]

Go straight to the UN
Do not pass go
Do not collect $200
I bet ole Kofi is peeing his pants as you are definitely trying to take his job.
I still say Kilts should be made in natural fibres rather than tacky unnatural ones. I bet one's gonads sweat buckets in plastic materials like polyviscose. Isnt that what girly blouses and panties are made of???

[Canuck]

Go straight to the UN
Do not pass go
Do not collect $200
I bet ole Kofi is peeing his pants as you are definitely trying to take his job.
I still say Kilts should be made in natural fibres rather than tacky unnatural ones. I bet one's gonads sweat buckets in plastic materials like polyviscose. Isnt that what girly blouses and panties are made of???

Sorry too busy
Besides I rather make kilts. I prefer to build kilts in natuaral fibres.. and having said that even those, if not the right weight can create havoc.
And sweating gonads isn't reserved in the poly blend kilts it can happen with any fabric.
I value your opinions, rest assured I will leave the poly blend materials to those who have the expertise with that fabric to create garments of their choice and all the power to those individuals who feel comfortable wearing them.
I'm proud to wear a kilt and am pleased that so many share the same interest.
Now do you want poly flashes with your order?

[Kelly]

Yes, thanks Graham - I will just clarify here that we DID make the kilts to the Queen Bee's specs. Rocky and I made 5 prototypes before Madonna finally settled on the long ones that you saw as the final product. Rock and I made them all ourselves, and they were all made as a traditional kilt, but with box pleats so they didn't stack up when she and her dancers turned around. They were very heavy, but in the end, very comfortable. I actually kept one for myself as a souvenir.
And, yes Graham, I actually wear it, even though it is long, and I have to admit that I don't look frumpy. I give in and admit you were right. (Rocky and I got to go to the concert here in Philadelphia when she came so that we could see our handiwork in action. It was something I will remember for the rest of my life, truly.)
Besides that, I hope YOU liked the concert, too! Thanks for the update!

[bear]

What a diplomat!
I bet you spoil all arguments and fights by diffusing the situation.
I spose I could start another by saying I think polyviscose looks f***ing awful and hangs like a saggy nappy but then I bet you'd jump in again.
(evil evil evil grin)

Careful! (One should always speak carefully when one doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.)

Poly/viscose kilts can be and often are mistaken for wool kilts. The hang is not quite the same as wool but it still has a pretty good flow.

(Sorry for jumping in Robert. Couldn't help myself.)

[Canuck]

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(Sorry for jumping in Robert. Couldn't help myself.)[/quote]
Go for it
Robert

[Kiltbear]

My tongue is bleeding cos i want to say something.
nnnnnnnggghhhhhhhh...................
Nope I have to say it
As a scotsman i do know what im talking about. Ive seen poly in kilt shops. Ive seen guys wear them. I have four traditional kilts (in wool) and four leather (soon to be 6) plus a camo and khaki UK. Ive been around the blocks a few times (pushing 50)and i truly do not think there is anything worse than something pretending to be what it is not. I dont wear poly suits and Im not about to wear poly kilts. They look awful. They look like a car rug wrapped round a guys legs. They fit where they touch and I use fit in the loosest of terms. They hang like cheap curtains....in fact id rather wear the curtains.
There Ive said it. I care not a jot what the responses are and Im sure there are bound to be some. You married guys ask your wives what they TRULY think of your pv kilts. Ask them if they would rather see u in a PROPER kilt. Make sure their fingers arent crossed when they say they like your pv. Ever wonder why they a) never go out with you when youre wearing one or B) walk 20 yards in front or behind you.
Youre embarassing them. If you love your wife burn your pv.
Geez think of the smell when all that plastic burns on the BBQ and the ozone layer is eroded more. A small price to pay for humanity methinks tho.

[Blu (Ontario)]

I own both medium and heavyweight worsted kilts. Absolutely they are a superior garment. BUT...at 4 to 5 times the price, they damn well better be. My p.v. kilt does a fine job for what I paid for it. I'd much rather wear it in risky conditions than an expensive wool one. To render a strong opinion is one thing but it's unclear to me why you would bother doing so with such hubris.

[highlandtide]

Ask them if they would rather see u in a PROPER kilt.

Kiltbear it is great that you have that opinion. But take this as a warning. This thread goes agaisnt the rules of being civil to all members. There are many kiltmakers on this forum who use PV and many more who wear it. There is no need to act like a punk and trash others like that and it is not exceptable. Just b/c you are Scottish doesnt make you an expert as I would stake my bets on Bear and Rocky any day. That being said if you have to talk trash take it somewhere else. Any more posts like that are subject to removal.

[Alaskan]

This is the kind of thing that I have been talking about when I said that differing opinions are not accepted when they come from people who are not one of the popular members on this forum.

Kiltbear simply said that he doesn't like the look of poly/viscose kilts. Yes, his wording was a little more forward than that, but he didn't make an attack on any kiltmakers who make poly/viscose kilts, or any attacks on people who wear poly/viscose. He merely said that in his opinion poly/viscose looks bad. If someone else said "For me wool is too f'ing itchy. I hate it." We wouldn't take that as an attack on the kiltmakers on this forum who make kilts out of wool, would we?

To me, Bear's "When one doesn't know what one is talking about" comment was the line that was not being civil to other members. Why? Because it was a personal attack. Obviously Bear likes poly/viscose and since he makes kilts from it, he will want to defend it, but he shouldn't make personal attacks to do so.

Then Hank, you warn Kiltbear for having an opinion that is different, but you don't care about Bear's rudeness.

[bear]

This is the kind of thing that I have been talking about when I said that differing opinions are not accepted when they come from people who are not one of the popular members on this forum.

Kiltbear simply said that he doesn't like the look of poly/viscose kilts. Yes, his wording was a little more forward than that, but he didn't make an attack on any kiltmakers who make poly/viscose kilts, or any attacks on people who wear poly/viscose. He merely said that in his opinion poly/viscose looks bad. If someone else said "For me wool is too f'ing itchy. I hate it." We wouldn't take that as an attack on the kiltmakers on this forum who make kilts out of wool, would we?

To me, Bear's "When one doesn't know what one is talking about" comment was the line that was not being civil to other members. Why? Because it was a personal attack. Obviously Bear likes poly/viscose and since he makes kilts from it, he will want to defend it, but he shouldn't make personal attacks to do so.

Then Hank, you warn Kiltbear for having an opinion that is different, but you don't care about Bear's rudeness.

Alaskan,
Kiltbear said, "poor crappy poly/viscose kilts," to describe some kilts he saw in a concert crowd. That's more than, "a little more forward," than saying poly/viscose looks bad. That's a blanket statement about all poly/viscose kilts.

I don't think they were poly/viscose because most of the people making poly/viscose kilts make them very well. Poly/viscose is too expensive to make cheap looking kilts with and poly/viscose hangs rather well. I think they were probably a poor quality polyester, which doesn't hang as nicely as poly/viscose.
As Kiltbear is a pure wool kilt guy, I don't think he knows what he's talking about as far as synthetic fabrics go. That's not a "personal attack."
If someone has never worn a poly/viscose kilt, or even had enough interest in them to find out the difference in synthetic fabrics, how can he judge what a kilt in a concert crowd is made of?

And if you look at the thread objectively, Kiltbear was aggressive in his dislike of "poly/viscose" from the start. I think he prefers wool kilts. I'm just getting into making wool kilts now. Who knows? Maybe I'll prefer wool, too? I'm willing to try it and see how I like it before passing judgement. I'm learning about different kinds of wool, different weaving methods, dying methods, etc. When I know what I'm talking about where wool is concerned, I'll feel qualified in making an objective opinion. My opinion won't be based on a homemade kilt made from a wool blanket I saw in a crowd.

That's where I was coming from in my post. Anything other than is something you've read in to it yourself.
I'm not going to argue this any further. My opinion on this is clear and you can't let go of anything, so we could argue forever and it is Robert's RKilt forum we're usurping. Even though he told me to, "Go for it," I still don't like doing it here. It's not fair to Robert.