Dear Tradionalists - That's what is called deluting the concept

**adempsey10** · 25th July 13, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by MacLowlife

I'm against tailored kilts for mucking around because in my mind I think, "Someone spent time making this and putting effort into it to make and here I am picking up dog poo and changing spark plugs on my car in it." It makes me feel like I've betrayed the craft. In the same way I wouldn't wear a sweater that my grandma made while I'm out hiking through the bush. It's a disrespect to the maker to not treat something like that with care. HoS kilts on the other hand, I could care less what happens to them while in them. They're not made with care and I dont feel bad treating them carelessly.

I understand that thinking, but it can be dangerous. When our work boots are too finely crafted to wear in the dirt, or our shovels too exquisite to shovel out stables, what do we do with them? And what do we use instead for those jobs that still must be done? Granted, changing the oil is not when you'd want to wear a five hundred GBP garment, but remember the (dare I say Historical?) origins of the kilt. It is a garment, not a ritual artifact.

Most of us are comfortable enough to afford more than one set of clothes and once you get the second set, you head down the road to specialization. But the kilt comes from a time when a man might just have the one- and he wore it, he didn't worship it. The same can be said for armies of enlisted men. I do not believe it is coincidental that people who wear certain clothes often tend to look more comfortable in them. If you buy a well-made kilt, chances are, it will last your entire lifetime. The sooner you buy, the longer you can wear it. If, by some chance, you do eventually spill something on it, well, now you know what to wear whilst cleaning up after the dog.

The origins of the kilt are irrelevant to me. A kilt that I wear on a daily basis, in lieu of jeans, is nothing more than a piece of comfortable clothing that I have opted to wear in lieu of jeans or shorts. I dont consider the historical origin of pants when I set out to buy a pair. My only concern is not breaking the bank and getting something this is suitable to wear on most casual occasions.

This concept of day wear and evening wear does not exist in my world. I get up, shower, pick out my clothes for the day. At night time, before bed, I take them off and go to sleep. The same clothes stay with me through the morning, lunch, afternoon, dinner, shopping, relaxing, clubbing, pubbing, movies, driving, grocery shopping etc. I refuse to spend over $100 on a pair of jeans that I would put through the daily rigours, so I wouldnt spend that much on a kilt.

Kilt = Jeans in my books. In this case HoS or other inexpensive kilts that I can have shipped to me in a few days are all I need. As I said before, I don't have my jeans tailored, why would I have a kilt that I wear in lieu of jeans tailored?

but..

Kilt also = Dress pants. The Kilt that I plan to have made for dressed up occasions, like when I go to school or functions where I would normally wear a tie, or going out for fancy dinners etc, will be tailor made. It will cost a pretty penny because I want it done right. I have a suit tailored. I will have a kilt in lieu of suit tailored.

**cryptoman** · 26th July 13, 05:46 PM

Kilt = Jeans in my books. In this case HoS or other inexpensive kilts that I can have shipped to me in a few days are all I need. As I said before, I don't have my jeans tailored, why would I have a kilt that I wear in lieu of jeans tailored?

Yeah bro, as long as the fit is properly, there is no need to have something tailored which in case of a kilt is more tricky than in case of a pair of jeans but at some price tag it is a must. How could ya justify paying $200 on a jeans of the peck? Just for a hipster label? Hipsters are some guys who buy something because it is en vogue and let it mold in the closet when it is "outdated" or they ain't got da guts to wear it.

If ya need HoS kilts hemmed because you measured wrong or are a bit picky in terms of comfort, you could have bought a USA kilts casual instead. Customization throughs cheap under the bus.

Yeah, history is only important when it comes to the definition of a kilt, just in case you would mind being called a crossdresser or something.

**OC Richard** · 26th July 13, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by MacLowlife

It is a garment, not a ritual artifact.

For me, a kilt actually is a 'ritual artifact'.

I wear Highland Dress as a sort of ritual dress one might say, the expected dress of a piper when playing at a wedding or funeral, just as a Mariachi must wear his distinctive dress, just as a Sumo official must wear his traditional dress.

These ceremonial traditional modes of dress aren't normally worn outside of the specific ritual.

**Downunder Kilt** · 26th July 13, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by cryptoman

Hipsters are some guys who buy something because it is en vogue and let it mold in the closet when it is "outdated" or they ain't got da guts to wear it.

Are we talking about the first, second or third incarnation of hipsters here? Just so we know what context you are talking about.

**adempsey10** · 26th July 13, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by cryptoman

Yeah bro, as long as the fit is properly, there is no need to have something tailored which in case of a kilt is more tricky than in case of a pair of jeans but at some price tag it is a must. How could ya justify paying $200 on a jeans of the peck? Just for a hipster label? Hipsters are some guys who buy something because it is en vogue and let it mold in the closet when it is "outdated" or they ain't got da guts to wear it.

If ya need HoS kilts hemmed because you measured wrong or are a bit picky in terms of comfort, you could have bought a USA kilts casual instead. Customization throughs cheap under the bus.

Yeah, history is only important when it comes to the definition of a kilt, just in case you would mind being called a crossdresser or something.

I don't think you've seen too many hipsters. They mostly shop at thrift stores and avoid things 'en vogue'. If its mainstream they tend to avoid it.

how many hipsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Its really obscure number, you've probably never heard of it.

**Stoo** · 27th July 13, 06:56 AM

Paul Henry kilt .... Made from jeans, saw it, looked good.
kilts have evolved through fashion materials, fastenings etc. evolution is what got us here

**Stoo** · 27th July 13, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by adempsey10

The origins of the kilt are irrelevant to me. A kilt that I wear on a daily basis, in lieu of jeans, is nothing more than a piece of comfortable clothing that I have opted to wear in lieu of jeans or shorts. I dont consider the historical origin of pants when I set out to buy a pair. My only concern is not breaking the bank and getting something this is suitable to wear on most casual occasions.

This concept of day wear and evening wear does not exist in my world. I get up, shower, pick out my clothes for the day. At night time, before bed, I take them off and go to sleep. The same clothes stay with me through the morning, lunch, afternoon, dinner, shopping, relaxing, clubbing, pubbing, movies, driving, grocery shopping etc. I refuse to spend over $100 on a pair of jeans that I would put through the daily rigours, so I wouldnt spend that much on a kilt.

Kilt = Jeans in my books. In this case HoS or other inexpensive kilts that I can have shipped to me in a few days are all I need. As I said before, I don't have my jeans tailored, why would I have a kilt that I wear in lieu of jeans tailored?

but..

Kilt also = Dress pants. The Kilt that I plan to have made for dressed up occasions, like when I go to school or functions where I would normally wear a tie, or going out for fancy dinners etc, will be tailor made. It will cost a pretty penny because I want it done right. I have a suit tailored. I will have a kilt in lieu of suit tailored.

You probably find you are fighting a losing battle with this argument. Some on here believe they are so Scottish that if you cut off a limb there would be a saltire showing. The modern kilt was invented by an Englishman, the tartan register etc was started by Walter Scott. There is evidence of tartan/plaid materials further back in history.
I agree that the HOS kilts are more than suitable for everyday work, I have been wearing one every day in place of trousers since may, they have got wet, had stuff spilt on them etc, but just wipe with a cloth or hang on line to dry. I will be getting a best kilt, I will wear for more formal occasions, but funds are not there yet.
I say to you, wear your kilt with the pride and conviction that made you choose it.

**Bohica** · 27th July 13, 08:09 AM

All kilts may be skirts but not all skirts are kilts. Gotta have rear pleats.

**Downunder Kilt** · 27th July 13, 04:00 PM

[QUOTE=Stoo;1184170) The modern kilt was invented by an Englishman, the tartan register etc was started by Walter Scott. There is evidence of tartan/plaid materials further back in history.
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Big statements Stoo, what relevance have they got in this disscusion? Would love to see the facts you have for the first two assertions, let alone a reason why a statement on the origins of tartan/plaid, which has not been mentioned in this thread. Seems you are wanting to provoke something.

**adempsey10** · 27th July 13, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Downunder Kilt

Big statements Stoo, what relevance have they got in this disscusion? Would love to see the facts you have for the first two assertions, let alone a reason why a statement on the origins of tartan/plaid, which has not been mentioned in this thread. Seems you are wanting to provoke something.

....an you just opened the door on that provocation....