Sorry Donnie I can't help with the rose thing either.

Mychaels' post reminded me of an encounter with my Pastor though. Our Churches' 125th anniversary is this month and celebrations are planned for the 24-25th while we were visting about that I mentioned casually that I was thinking about wearing my kilt for the occasion, his response was that he didn't see a problem with that and I should. Here's the funny part right on the heels of that he asked with a grin if I was going regimental I said given our North Dakota wind and not wanting to create "new" church memories I was considering not. He then asked if I had considered learning to play the pipes (almost as if one had to go with the other). I won't be the only one kilted on that occasion BTW we'll have a piper too 8)

I'll let everyone know how things turn out.

Bill