"Churning" Kilts

[McClef]

Indeed we can all get exasperated at times John and indeed the context in which words are used can make a lot of difference. We have both enjoyed each other' company in Dumfries pubs where tone of voice and facial expression can make a big difference as can what one is imbibing

It isn't disagreement that is the problem but how it is expressed and sometimes it appears confrontational as written. I do my best not to appear confrontational but sometimes my colleagues might not agree!

We really must meet up again soon at our favourite tosh - the one with Ferin in front of it!

[English Bloke]

On that we can agree mee ol' mate. I look forward to it.

[seanachie]

0kay fine. I have no clue what an SaaS company is or how churn became a bad word. It still means what it means to me - to mix up, to stir up.... And, I doubt too many others of this rabble know what an SaaS company is either. So gonna leave it and not bother a mod to change it. Thanks for the education though... Anyone who is offended by it isn't offended by my choice of words, but rather their expectation that I would somehow know of this high tech usage and new meaning.

RON:
Sorry for any misunderstanding. As so as I saw churn it raised my blood pressure. In my industry churn is a measure of a rate of existing customers who stop subscribing (a measure of attrition). Big challenge where I work in the months ahead and impacts my position and remuneration. No miscommunication intended.

[BCAC]

It might appear Catch 22 but then advertising personally owned items is a privilege and not a right and the provisions regarding them are strictly defined. If willy nilly ads were to be allowed wherever the vendor wished to place them this would defeat the point of having a special area where they can all be found and it is of no benefit to the vendor, or to anyone else for that matter, being told why one cannot buy it. That is also the correct place to ask the vendor questions. Unless it is all kept in the right place then transactions, questions and permitted comments will end up in this thread instead.

Mods indeed try to comment as little as possible but sometimes when we see a potential problem we fire a friendly shot across the bows when we see one and even then we don't do it without due thought and consideration. We cannot read every single post that is added every day and we rely upon the flagging system to bring anything we might have missed to our attention. We then take all the necessary action outlined in the FAQS.

Ron mentioned that he was selling some of his kilts and didn't specifically say where but nobody asked where he might be selling them, they knew where to look. The rest of the post is about selling some kilts in order to buy more as a concept and the practicalities of that.

Easier to prevent than undo.

Where (and what) is the "potential problem" that warrants your "shot accross the bows" here, Trefor? For the life of me I can't see it.

[Riverkilt]

Believe me, I think out my posts well before posting. However the interpretation of others who hit flag, or the moderators judgment, seems to sometimes be different, or affix mal intent that was never there. I understand the need for moderation and the need to closely monitor my posts for any possible hint of rule breaking. I understand that this post took off in another direction (not my fault!!) and there was a perceived need to moderate the direction it was going.

After I made my decision to sell some kilts, and did all the work of measurements etc., and posted them for sale - I realized I was "churning" (in the most appropriate non-technical sense - who knew??) and felt that "might" be a post of interest.

What surprised me was the interpretation of the post as an effort to promote the sale of those kilts. To the contrary, when I posted those kilts for sale the intent when I priced them was to offer others a bargain - a fair price for quality kilts, with no waiting period. Sometimes its difficult to understand others telling me how I feel or what my intentions were when they are wrong and clueless about both. Even more difficult for me working as a State Licensed Professional Counselor with 21 years in the business of helping others being seen as somehow a person of evil intent. But, one of the things I teach is when you're falsely accused or misunderstood just sit in it and feel how it is to be falsely accused or misunderstood. Obviously, I'm not following my own advise by posting this. But, like all the other evil doers in history I can't understand why people don't see me as a good guy.

I will continue to self-moderate to the best of my ability. I also have already reduced my participation in the forum so as to save the moderators any extra work. I do appreciate their contribution. This board has seen much wilder days.

[MacLowlife]

In the securities world, at least as portrayed by the movie Wall Street, "churning" means selling for the sake of making commissions- of course ALL selling is eventually done for the sake of making a commission, but the term connotes selling people things they will want or need to sell again quickly, thus earning the salesman a second commission. The customer is the one who gets burned.

And all of that leads me to what I think Riverkilt was considering. Is there something a little disheartening about selling off a kilt you thought long and hard about buying? Are some of us naturally inclined to what has lately come to be called hoarding ( speaking of your pejorative terms)? How do we manage an expanding wardrobe in the face of a contracting universe?

Riverkilt, it seems to me you have given all of this a great deal of thought. But I am reminded a little of the worm that always goes halfway. If you start with your present wardrobe and you sell kilts at, say half or so of what you paid for them, and, assuming you can still buy one now and then at the same price, you find yourself in the middle of a gaping math(s) problem:

R has 40 kilts. Each kilt can be sold for 3/4 of the cost of a new kilt. If he sells all of his kilts and replaces them once a year, how long before R finds himself reduced to wearing trousers? Show your work.

[craigclan]

I feel kinda out of place here i only have one kilt so far

[ASinclair]

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R has 40 kilts. Each kilt can be sold for 3/4 of the cost of a new kilt. If he sells all of his kilts and replaces them once a year, how long before R finds himself reduced to wearing trousers? Show your work.

6 x 7 = 42 (the answer to life, the universe, and everything else)

[TheOfficialBren]

"Churning" also refers to a journalism technique where "fluff" stories are published to pad out a publication where real noteworthy material is in short supply.

With that said, most of us are not journalists or Wall Street traders or in the software industry. The word "churn" (and its derivatives) used as a prejorative is entirely irrelevant here.

Ron, you have lots of very nice kilts. You are offering some excellent deals and I salute you, sir. You've always been kind to me and I believe you to be a person of kind spirit and genuinely considerate of others. You have nothing to apologise for.

Carry on, gentlemen.

[Couper]

I feel kinda out of place here i only have one kilt so far

Me, too - but not because I have only one kilt. I started reading this thread with interest - but got sidetracked by the "interventions" imposed throughout; one of the reasons I lurk more than post.