thanks for the replies! canuck, i'll take you up on that pint in aboot five years...i'd do so now, but both of us might get in a spot of trouble with the authorities. silly drinking laws . anywho, i'm glad to have such a positive response to their kilts. but a couple months??? oi polloi, i dont know if i could wait that long...*sigh*, such is life, i suppose. and i dont want to get an expensive kilt w/o being fitted by someone who knows what theyre doing ya know? ach, i'll make do for now, i suppose. but again, what're the main differences between a four and an eight? does anyone (canuck?) know how much an eight yard costs (in american, preferably)? thanks again for all the help!