Is there a collection of vintage kilt photos?

**Steve Ashton** · 28th May 14, 12:57 AM

If I'm not mistaken the OP is asking if there is some single source for all the photos he sees here.

Well, frankly no, not as any organized body of work. Kilt wearing is not an earth shaking or government toppling topic to most people.

But many of our member do have a keen interest. and do derive pleasure from, collecting photos they run across on the web, in antique stores and elsewhere.

All we have ever asked is that due credit is given when photos are reproduced here. That is not much to ask. Common courtesy for an artists work.

So, as it is unlikely that there will be a multi-billion dollar Federal research grant to collect every kilt photo ever taken I think we here are doing a pretty good job.

Our members have compiled perhaps one of the greatest collections of kilt photos the world has ever known.

Hey, think about it. X Marks is the worlds single source for all the kilt photos ever taken. How cool is that?

**McMurdo** · 28th May 14, 04:28 AM

You could start by looking at this thread I started a few years ago.

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-photos-43316/

**OC Richard** · 28th May 14, 05:29 AM

Yes McMurdo's link will take you to the very thread the OP asks about. The thread about Prince Charles' kilt fashion is excellent too http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-photos-49608/

There's a site in Australia, the School of Piping, which has a fantastic photo gallery of vintage photos of pipers.

**ASinclair** · 28th May 14, 06:40 AM

Great photos! Thanks for the links.

**Steve Ashton** · 28th May 14, 12:26 PM

I don't think the OP was asking about the Prince Charles thread.
I think he was asking about old kilt photos in general.

**HootinHoller** · 28th May 14, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by McMurdo

You could start by looking at this thread I started a few years ago.

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-photos-43316/

Thank you for that! I've been in there hours at a time now. Just the thing while I recover from surgery today. (A stone in my salivary gland)

**HootinHoller** · 28th May 14, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Ashton

If I'm not mistaken the OP is asking if there is some single source for all the photos he sees here.

Well, frankly no, not as any organized body of work. Kilt wearing is not an earth shaking or government toppling topic to most people.

But many of our member do have a keen interest. and do derive pleasure from, collecting photos they run across on the web, in antique stores and elsewhere.

All we have ever asked is that due credit is given when photos are reproduced here. That is not much to ask. Common courtesy for an artists work.

So, as it is unlikely that there will be a multi-billion dollar Federal research grant to collect every kilt photo ever taken I think we here are doing a pretty good job.

Our members have compiled perhaps one of the greatest collections of kilt photos the world has ever known.

Hey, think about it. X Marks is the worlds single source for all the kilt photos ever taken. How cool is that?

The thing I see happening in the old threads, which is a problem for all kinds of forums, is that photos linked elsewhere like photobucket are disappearing as accounts get cleared and other things.

**Steve Ashton** · 28th May 14, 07:26 PM

While we have no control over a members photobucket account it is unfortunate that sometimes photo do disappear.

We also must be mindful of copyright. If a photo is lifted from somewhere under copyright, and the owner complains, we must remove offending photos. It does happen on occasion but gratefully our members are pretty good folks so it happens seldom.

**HootinHoller** · 28th May 14, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Ashton

While we have no control over a members photobucket account it is unfortunate that sometimes photo do disappear.

We also must be mindful of copyright. If a photo is lifted from somewhere under copyright, and the owner complains, we must remove offending photos. It does happen on occasion but gratefully our members are pretty good folks so it happens seldom.

Which is why there needs to be reliable storage for them. With some planning, I can donate some space on my server, let me know.

As to copyright issues, since the purpose of collection is the education of our members and the public, I think at least in the US, fair use doctrine should apply.

**Steve Ashton** · 28th May 14, 09:51 PM

Fair use doctrine is fine but it is not law. What I am referring to is a Copyright upholdable in court.

Let me play devils advocate here for a moment. And please understand my only concern here is to protect this forum.

Say a member lifts a photo from a commercial site who are in the business of selling photos. This company has a Copyright notice posted to there site and make it very visible and plain that the photos on the site are the property of the company.
This site has posted samples photos of some of the items they have for sale.
A member here saves one, or a few, of these photos to his hard drive, transfers them to his photobucket account and then uploads them into a post here.

If you read the Copyright notice at the bottom of every single page of this forum you will see this -

Copyright 2012 by Steve Ashton
Do not reproduce or re-transmit anything on www.XMarkstheScot.com without the express, written permission of the Original Author or the forum owner, Steve Ashton.

I, and by default, ever member of this forum are now liable for Copyright violation. At least under Canadian Law which is where I currently live and where this site is operated.

If I do not remove the posted photo when asked this site could be shut down. I'm not saying that it will happen, I am saying that it could, and that it has happened before to other sites.

Does anyone remember Napster?

No, I'm sorry, I must operate under the law and must protect this site for its members. Far use does not apply in the case of theft of Copyright material.

We all rail at the top of our lungs when a Pakistani site steals photos from our favorite vendors and uses them on their own sites. We scream and cry for tougher laws, something to protect those who sell us our stuff.

But we seem to feel it is right to lift a photo of a guy in a kilt taken in WWI just because it is found on the web.

Well, we can have it one way or the other, we can't have both.

In the past five years I have had to remove about a dozen photos from posts on this forum after receiving valid complaints from the rightful owners of the images. Luckily no one has gotten nasty and no one has filed a suit in court over the photos being stolen from them.

My policy is, and must remain, that if I receive a verifiable complaint over a photo or link, that a member posts here, I must remove the photo or link.

I sincerely hope that I am never forced to take stronger action. But it could happen. And I warn our members that it could happen over something as innocent looking as re-posting something someone found in their local paper. Believe it or not there is more than one case in the American law libraries over something just like this.

I cannot control what anyone downloads to their personal hard drive or their personal Photobucket account. All I can do is insure that this site is not taken to court over what that person posts here.

I have asked this out of courtesy before and I ask it again out of simple courtesy. Let us take the moral high ground here. If you post something here, give due credit where credit is due. A simple - "Photo by permission of www.billyjoejimbob's_post_card_emporium.com". Or "From my personal photo collection". Now everyone is playing fair, the site is protected and almost everyone will be happy.

I am not even going to go into the Google Unnatural Link Penalties. That is a whole 'nuther can of worms.