A new twist on "The Question"

[Riverkilt]

Agree with the posts except the last. Have worked with sex offenders and rapists on probation for years (helps insure fewer victims are created).

Knowing what a true sex offender is, in my opinion a kilt groper - particularly a drunken kilt groper (aren't they all) would not qualify as a sex offender.

Just don't think a psychiatric evaluation would turn up the paraphilia of Frotteurism since to be diagnosed the person must have displayed the behavior over a period of at least six months.

For sure they'd easily meet the legal definition of assault, or sexual assault, in most jurisdictions but that is different than someone driven by sexual urges to "touch or rub against a nonconsenting person."

A person court ordered to sex offender treatment for the crime of groping up a kilt would be laughed out of group and no doubt refused to be accepted by the agency charged with treating sex offenders.

Best stick with the legal assault than go with the psychiatric deviancy of Frotteurism.

[Kevin Murphy]

I think that they should at least allow bartender ls who don't wish to give up the kilt the freedom of choice.

[James Hood]

Please excuse being obvious, but what about simple placards on tables and perhaps a sign in the entrance stating, "Groping of our wait staff is not permitted and is subject to the police being called on the offender."

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[ratspike]

It doesn't help that attitudes towards this kind of thing are so unbalanced. It's not uncommon for guys to enjoy a strange woman being handsy, especially in a bar. I've never known a woman who felt that way about a dude doing the same thing, and rightfully so. Even when I was in my 20s and single, nothing got my back up like an uninvited sortie into my personal space by a random, especially when it was Obnoxious Bar Chick.

A friend of mine has had terrible luck with women being pushy when he wears his kilts, trying to check the undercarriage and even putting hands on his package. He's a better man than I, because he always keeps his cool where I'd completely lose my mind and demand that the woman get bounced or I'm calling the police.

[Sir Didymous]

The worst I've had is a pleat sweep or two. Still rather uncomforting. I've been asked "the question" before, but have never had anyone do an inspection. My wife and I operate a Zazzle shop and I have thought about making a shirt printed with a picture of a pair of boxers on the front and the words "I didn't ask about yours. Please return the courtesy."

It seems like a jovial way to deal with what is becoming a very serious issue.

[tpa]

Please excuse being obvious, but what about simple placards on tables and perhaps a sign in the entrance stating, "Groping of our wait staff is not permitted and is subject to the police being called on the offender."? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I could not agree more, however, this being the UK and policing budgets being cut all the time, there may be a problem with getting the police to turn up. When I ran a shop and someone called the police to report a disturbance outside the shop, the police rang me at home and told me to go over and sort it out.

[Father Bill]

The outher night, Oy lookt out in my garden, and they was guys with pocket torches in moy garden shed stealing moy stoof. So Oy rung oop the police and Oy sez to them "You need to com and help me. They's guys in moy garden shed with pocket torches and they's stealing moy stoof"

An' the Copper sez to me, "Sorry lad, we's too busy to com to your hoos right now."

So Oy rung off moy phone and a couple of minutes later, Oy called back and sez "Don't worry aboot the guys in moy garden shed stealin' moy stoof... Oy shot them!" An' Oy rung off moy phone agin.

In jost a couple minuts, they was five Bobbies at moy hoos and a helicopter oop in the skoy with great big searchlights, and the Bobbies com an' arrested the guys, an' they sez to me, "We thought yoo sed yoo shot 'em."

An I sez to them, "An' Oy thought yoo sed yoo wus too busy to come right now!"

An' thass moy story!

[Nile]

Like all of us, I've been asked the question more times than I can remember but, I did have one experience that went beyond the question. We attended a Christmas party a couple of years ago at the home of friends. Our hostess' elderly aunt was at the party and when Susan and I walked in and the aunt saw me in a kilt, she immediately walked over to me and lifted up my kilt while saying "What do you have under there?" (A lot of people got a good look at my upper legs, etc.). The hostess was horrified and the 'eighties something' aunt couldn't understand what the problem was since I was 'flaunting myself' by wearing a kilt and she was 'just curious'.

It was certainly an awkward situation but the rest of the evening went well and, of course, I avoided the aunt like the plague.

Nile

[The Q]

In relation to Father Bills, story we had an incident here in Norfolk a couple days ago.
A lady was seen floating in the river past a pub. And was fished out by customers and staff and given CPR. she is recovering in hospital.

The public services sent....
An Ambulance, two paramedics
a rapid response vehicle ( paramedic in a car)
An Ambulance officer (separate car)
The Air Ambulance, Doctor, paramedic and pilot
And TEN police cars!!! Some with one officer some with two.

[OC Richard]

Like the wait staff in that pub, a piper playing in a crowded pub has both hands occupied and is vulnerable to these assaults.

It happens all the time: you're hired to march about in the pub while playing, and the drunk women see it as a perfect opportunity to do some kilt-lifting.

As people have been saying, if a man did the same to a woman there would probably be an arrest.