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    rather than a great kilt, why not make some simple small kilts, perhaps with the pleats sewn at the waistband and an adjustable under apron pleat each side to get the size somewhere close to the wearer's own?

    folded over a belt or a plaited cord - perhaps with a couple of large safety pins for the more timid you could provide the look and feel of being kilted without the cost of the fully tailored kilt.

    I make my own kilts in reverse Kingussie pleating style and although I do add waistband and buckle fastening I do not sew down the fell. The pleating seems to lie well enough without it. I do press in the folds which show before sewing.

    Perhaps that would be a possibility for the more common sizes if the idea takes off.

    Anne the Pleater :ootd:
    I presume to dictate to no man what he shall eat or drink or wherewithal he shall be clothed."
    -- The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine, The Kilt & How to Wear It, 1901.

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    I will echo Steve and Jock because I'm not certain I'd be in a kilt at all if it had not started with the experience of a well-made wool kilt. The venture with the kilt-hire company would seem to be the better option for variety and quality for the interest of future and continued contributors and customers to kilt wearing.

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    As OC mentioned when I see a great kilt at a Highland Games event I think 'A lost Renaissance fair player'....it does look like dress up to me.
    I appreciate your intent though.
    De Oppresso Liber

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    Just to clarify, the booth at our Renaissance Faire doesn't rent any sort of kilts or Scottish garb, but ordinary English Renaissance costume.

    What I was thinking of is not that same booth showing up at a Highland Games, but rather an ordinary Kilt Hire shop, with normal modern traditional kilts, hose, and sporrans to rent for the day.
    Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    Just to clarify, the booth at our Renaissance Faire doesn't rent any sort of kilts or Scottish garb, but ordinary English Renaissance costume.

    What I was thinking of is not that same booth showing up at a Highland Games, but rather an ordinary Kilt Hire shop, with normal modern traditional kilts, hose, and sporrans to rent for the day.
    G'day OC Richard,
    I did understand that from your first post that your Renaissance Faire booth did not specialise in Scottish garb, and that what you proposed was a kilt hire vendor renting tailored kilts.

    Cheers,
    Steve

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    It was the mention of Great Kilts at Highland Games that got me a bit worried
    Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte

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    I applaud your concept and your enthusiasm to expose more guys to the kilt.

    As one who has a rental fleet and deals with kilt rentals on a daily basis perhaps I can offer some insight.

    Let's say for example that you don't want to go the Pakistani acrylic kilt route for your rental booth.

    1) You will need kilts sized by trouser size simply because 99% of the guys who would visit you have never had a tape measure around themselves and have no idea what their actual size is.
    2) You will also need kilts that are fairly short in length simply because 99% of the guys who would visit you have never worn anything at their natural waist. They probably don't even know where their natural waist is. So they will try to put the kilt on where their jeans fit. Almost all of your kilt will need to be about 20" - 22' long.
    3) You will need to pick three or four generic or universal Tartans. With 12,000 registered Tartans there is no way that anyone can carry them all. You can't even hope to carry the most common Clan Tartans.
    4) You will need more kilts in some sizes than in other sizes. The average guy today is about 36" to 38" around the waist. (yes, this is different than pants size. Pants today are 'vanity sized" and listed 2 to 4 sizes smaller than they actually are so you think your in a smaller size.)
    5) As a fair estimate you will need to purchase between 40 and 100 kilts to have enough sizes in enough Tartans to fit your prospective customer base.
    As an example my Rental fleet consists of 15 kilts in each of 4 Tartans for a total of 60 kilts.
    6) You will also need to purchase about 50 to 60 pair of hose, per event that you plan to attend. Most municipalities won't allow you to return worn socks for hygiene reasons.
    7) You will need to purchase around 30 to 40 pair of flashes and garters.
    8) Depending on what you expect your customers to wear up top you should plan to purchase 40 to 50 jacobite shirts or 30 to 40 jacket and vest combinations. You may want to forgo jackets as they are usually around $100.00 to $200.00 ea at wholesale where you can get jacobite shirts for $30.00 or $40.00 ea.
    9) You will need to find a source for inexpensive sporrans. Rental sporrans take a beating. You may get by with a sporran for 2 seasons but I would not count on a sporran lasting more than 1 season.
    10) then there are all the other things you will need to purchase in about the same quantities. Kilt Pins, Belts and Waistplates come to mind.

    So you are now into this venture for the tune of about $30,000.00. Then there is the dry cleaning costs to have every outfit you rent cleaned after each rental, business license and all the small sundries like a cash register, a point of sale machine to take credit cards (Do you have a contract with a POS Company?), and bins to carry and store everything along with racks to hang everything at your location.
    Do you have a tent or some other booth? Can you man your booth for 8 to 10 hours non-stop or do you need employees so you can take a break, have lunch, or go to the restroom?
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    Other than what Steve mentioned should be a piece of cake......
    De Oppresso Liber

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    Good points all, but experienced Kilt Hire Shops already are accustomed to most of these issues.

    I know in Scotland large Kilt Hire Shops have a large number of available tartans, but here many such shops only have a couple. One successful local Kilt Hire Shop, for many years, only had one tartan available, I think it was Black Watch. People just want the kilt look for their wedding, there's no expectation of being able to hire specific clan tartans. What usually happens around here is that the Groom will order a bespoke kilt in his own tartan, and the Groomsmen are in whatever tartan the shop has to hand.

    Our proposed Games hire booth would only need to rent the kilts, sporrans, hose, and flashes. The customers could wear the shirts and shoes they came in. My idea is for the person to get a taste of kiltwearing, not be fully outfitted as for a wedding.

    Perhaps as they walk about the Games they'll purchase a bonnet! Or who knows what all.

    Decent Pakistani sporrans can be had for very little, especially if ordered in bulk direct from the maker. I think one place got them for around $20 a piece, and they weren't too bad. Ditto hose and flashes.

    About the quantity of stuff required, who can say? But a Hire Shop could show up with their normal stock, and hire it out until they're out of stuff... it would be an experiment for sure. They might need two or three different Kilt Hire shops to have booths to have enough stock. The popularity of such a program is impossible to guess.
    Last edited by OC Richard; 17th September 15 at 04:28 AM.
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