Wearing of tartan coats by 42nd Regt Pipers?

[blackwatch70]

quite crude picture, and I dont' know where it was published, but it stated BW in 1845 ...

[figheadair]

quite crude picture, and I dont' know where it was published, but it stated BW in 1845 ...

A good find. I'll have a dig but think it may be from Wheatley's Regimental history published 1837.

[figheadair]

A good find. I'll have a dig but think it may be from Wheatley's Regimental history published 1837.

This one is proving tricky. Where did you find the image?

[IsaacW]

quite crude picture, and I dont' know where it was published, but it stated BW in 1845 ...

Do you suppose this is supposed to represent typical 42nd sett for the jacket and band sett for the kilt??

[figheadair]

Yes I do Issac. I had nearly finished a paper on the Band Sett until this appeared. It doesn't change anything per se but it reinforces the late use by pipers of the 42nd. Interestingly the Black Watch Museum hadn't seen this and we're all scratching our heads to try and find the source book.

I'm trying to track down a copy of Wheatley's 1837 Regimental history to see if it's from there. Not an easy book to find.

[blackwatch70]

Hi figheadair,

did you read the "The origins and Development of Military tartans" by James Scarlett , what do you think about it?
and when will you publish your latest paper about Band sett?

regards, Mikhail

[figheadair]

Hi figheadair,

did you read the "The origins and Development of Military tartans" by James Scarlett , what do you think about it?
and when will you publish your latest paper about Band sett?

regards, Mikhail

Mikhail,

Yes, I've read Jamie's theory but to be fair it was some time ago and I would need to re-read it before I could comment properly. I'll make some time in the next couple of weeks. Hoping to have my paper finalised in about the same timeframe.

[OC Richard]

quite crude picture, and I dont' know where it was published, but it stated BW in 1845 ...

Very interesting indeed!

As far as the piper's uniform goes, it contains a wealth of information. I note:

1) the wearing of Black Watch bag-covers, and Black Watch drone ribbons

2) black and red diced hose, evidently adopted by the pipers before the rest of the regiment

3) Royal Stewart tartan kilt seems to be intended

4) pipers wearing the same sporran as the ORs of the regiment

However, here we clearly see that Royal Stewart is not being worn. Is this the "music tartan"?

[figheadair]

Very interesting indeed!

As far as the piper's uniform goes, it contains a wealth of information. I note:

1) the wearing of Black Watch bag-covers, and Black Watch drone ribbons

2) black and red diced hose, evidently adopted by the pipers before the rest of the regiment

3) Royal Stewart tartan kilt seems to be intended I'm

4) pipers wearing the same sporran as the ORs of the regiment

However, here we clearly see that Royal Stewart is not being worn. Is this the "music tartan"?

Richard, wrt:

3) I'm not sure that that is correct. according to my contact at Balhousie the Regiment's pipers were not given permission to wear the RS until the 1860s. I'm therefore assuming that this is an attempt to represent the Band tartan.

4) Defintiely Wilsons' Band tartan. My paper on this should be finished this week.

[blackwatch70]

This one is proving tricky. Where did you find the image?

I found it on one of forums , and they say it's from "Historical records of the Forty Second or Royal Highland Regiment of Foot" 1st ed London 1845.

regards, Mikhail