Thanks all for the input. To clarify, I own an expensive "formal" kilt made for me by MacIsaac Kiltmakers in Cape Breton and a 5.11 TDK for casual wear and love them both. I'm just looking for another casual kilt to knock around in and rotate with the 5.11 at longer festivals, etc.. I'd like a Utilikilt or something comparable but unfortunately those are out of my price range at present. While I'm not a snob, I've read some bad press about the **** kilts and cannot afford to waste ANY amount for junk right now. I'm now looking into a Damn Near Kilt 'Em casual and even if it's a **** (anybody know??),it looks like they guarantee satisfaction so I'd feel a little more comfortable paying for that at the same price as the UT. This should satisfy my needs at least until the new batch of 5.11s come out in the spring or I can grab a Utilikilt.