Is there a name for this?

[OC Richard]

Those hose were discussed on an earlier thread and it's my opinion that they were woven to match (more or less) a regimental stripe necktie, probably the Cameron Highlanders.

BTW vintage Highland Dress photos usually show diced, tartan, and selfcoloured/plain/solid hose but hose in a number of patterns we don't see nowadays also are seen.













This style appears in The Highlanders Of Scotland and is mentioned in a 1920s Highland Dress catalogue



Here's a variant of it

[Bruce Scott]

Those hose were discussed on an earlier thread and it's my opinion that they were woven to match (more or less) a regimental stripe necktie, probably the Cameron Highlanders.

BTW vintage Highland Dress photos usually show diced, tartan, and selfcoloured/plain/solid hose but hose in a number of patterns we don't see nowadays also are seen.

The earlier post (see link) included input from JB's daughter, 'Mags'. She said that his wife had knitted the hose.
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...ess-mbe-67632/

The colours are close to those in the QOCH regimental tie but they don't appear to have the narrow yellow stripe.

[OC Richard]

The earlier post (see link) included input from JB's daughter, 'Mags'. She said that his wife had knitted the hose.
The colours are close to those in the QOCH regimental tie but they don't appear to have the narrow yellow stripe.

Yes. The thing is, the stripe pattern on those hose is SO familiar to me, I'm sure I've seen it on some tie somewhere, I just can't remember where.

[OC Richard]

I found some of the ties I was thinking of, they were knocking around in the back of my mind, I had to haul out the Ben Silver catalogue and hunt around online to find them. It may be that the hose were intended to represent a specific tie, or it may be that they were inspired at the general appearance of these ties.

The other possibility is that the hose were recreating, or were inspired by, tartan colour-strips.

[Tobus]

It may be that the hose were intended to represent a specific tie, or it may be that they were inspired at the general appearance of these ties.

It's all speculation, of course, but I think Bruce Scott had the right of it with the QOCH tie. Since he served with that unit, he wore that tie a lot, and was wearing it in the photo with the striped hose. It's hard to tell from that photo due to the size, quality, and very limited bit of tie showing. But comparing it to other photos of him, this is the same tie he's wearing with the striped hose. My bet is that the hose were made to match these colours reasonably well, and it just wasn't possible to incorporate the narrow yellow stripe into hand-knitted hose.

From the PM John D. Burgess website:

[OC Richard]

I think Bruce Scott had the right of it with the QOCH tie. Since he served with that unit, he wore that tie a lot, and was wearing it in the photo with the striped hose.

Yes it makes sense for the reasons you mention.

However the careers of army Pipe Majors may span a number of different units. (They can be assigned to any unit that needs a Pipe Major.) I wondered about the socks representing some other regiment or battalion with which he may have served as PM. But the only reference I see is to him being a Corporal piper in the QOCH (which battalion isn't mentioned) and as Pipe Major of the 4/5 Camerons, a Territorial unit.

[tripleblessed]

Agree they're definitely one off custom knitted by someone he knew. And that he earned (and groomed) the latitude to get away with it.

O.C., I am constantly astonished at what you can pull up at the drop of a hat to contribute a thread. Thanks seems too small for
the amount of effort that clearly goes into this.

[Allan Thomson]

I found some of the ties I was thinking of, they were knocking around in the back of my mind, I had to haul out the Ben Silver catalogue and hunt around online to find them. It may be that the hose were intended to represent a specific tie, or it may be that they were inspired at the general appearance of these ties.

The other possibility is that the hose were recreating, or were inspired by, tartan colour-strips.

One thing that makes me curious is why in a Highland (or even Lowland with its own Tartan) Regiment have a regimental tie which is based on a design incorporating the various colours of the regimental tartan rather than having a regimental tie made of the actual tartan with the cap badge added to distinguish it from a civilian tie of the same tartan? Is the use of stripes rather than the whole tartan just to keep it in line with every other regimental tie?..

[OC Richard]

One thing that makes me curious is why a Highland Regiment has a regimental tie which is based on a design incorporating the various colours of the regimental tartan rather than having a regimental tie made of the actual tartan...

It's because striped organisational ties are a very old tradition in Britain, a tradition which is unconnected to Highland Dress.

And I should point out that ties of Highland regiments aren't trying to recreate the tartan the regiment wears. They could do, then the ties would look like tartan colour-strips.

For example the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders wore the Sutherland tartan (like Black Watch but with a lighter green). Their regimental tie had red and yellow stripes which did not relate to the tartan.

However it's true that at least some of the Highland regimental ties suggest the kilt. We have to be aware of putting the cart before the horse, though.

For example yes the tie of the Gordon Highlanders had a yellow/buff stripe. But let's not forget that the yellow stripe was added to the standard Government Tartan to complement the regiment's yellow facings, not the other way round. And I would interpret the black stripe in the Gordon Highlanders tie to relate to the appearance of black in other regimental items (the black line in officer's epaulettes, the black buttons on the spats, the black in the diced hose) rather than the black in the Government tartan.

And lastly, tartan ties have never been very popular with Highland Dress. In the military you wear a plain tie when in uniform, the regimental stripe tie when in mufti, as I understand.