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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    I'm sure that OC Richard will chime in at some point but as a starter for 10, you might find this of interest - 42nd Regiment Band or Musicians’ Tartan. In summary, sometime after 1850.
    Thank you so much. That appears to partially answer my question, specifically the part about Queen Victoria granting permission for the pipers to wear the Royal Stewart tartan in 1865. Still, this provokes more questions but I will save them for another time.

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    With fear and trepidation I will attempt to recollect what I have been told is the explanation. I'm sure someone will prove me wrong.

    My understanding is that, this feature has to do with the history of the 42nd Regiment of Foot. While tartan was not commonly worn in Scotland after the prohibition, the 42nd/Black Watch were allowed to wear it. in good British military tradition, the Black Watch had as part of their establishment, a contingent of fife and drums. When the decision was made to add pipers, they were not included in the regimental scale of issue, and therefore did not receive uniforms from the government. Therefore it was up to the CO to find funds to dress the pipers and so they were dressed in whatever tartan he perferred. The drummers were simply borrowed from the fife and drum corp, which was provisioned for by the crown and therefore they - and the drum major - wear the regimental uniform.

    To this day the RROS continues to have a military brass band - successor of sorts to the fife and drums of days of yore. IF you look at the band, you will note that they wear the full dress uniform with the Black Watch tartan kilt; as does the drum major of the pipes and drums.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by plaid preacher View Post
    With fear and trepidation I will attempt to recollect what I have been told is the explanation. I'm sure someone will prove me wrong.

    My understanding is that, this feature has to do with the history of the 42nd Regiment of Foot. While tartan was not commonly worn in Scotland after the prohibition, the 42nd/Black Watch were allowed to wear it. in good British military tradition, the Black Watch had as part of their establishment, a contingent of fife and drums. When the decision was made to add pipers, they were not included in the regimental scale of issue, and therefore did not receive uniforms from the government. Therefore it was up to the CO to find funds to dress the pipers and so they were dressed in whatever tartan he perferred. The drummers were simply borrowed from the fife and drum corp, which was provisioned for by the crown and therefore they - and the drum major - wear the regimental uniform.

    To this day the RROS continues to have a military brass band - successor of sorts to the fife and drums of days of yore. IF you look at the band, you will note that they wear the full dress uniform with the Black Watch tartan kilt; as does the drum major of the pipes and drums.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :-)
    Complete myth I'm afraid. Tartan was not banned by the Act of Proscription, male highland clothes were. Even then, those serving in the Army were exempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    Complete myth I'm afraid. Tartan was not banned by the Act of Proscription, male highland clothes were. Even then, those serving in the Army were exempt.
    Peter, I did have the thought that if you hadn't said it... it might not have been true.

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