7% Scot, 87% Irish; What Would You Do?

[OC Richard]

my Ancestry DNA says 7% Scot, 87% English/Irish, and 6% Swedish (Vikings, I suppose).

Just wondering, which testing service did you use?

DNA testing, as best I understand how the mass-market tests are done, only tests a tiny fraction of our DNA. Unless they're looking for particular known markers, they might miss important things.

So much Western European DNA is alike because people moved around and mixed so much over the millennia.

They're always finding new things. My wife and I both did Ancestry.com and 23&me and 1) they show slightly different things and 2) they're constantly updating things.

One issue is Scandinavian DNA. Large areas of Ireland and Britain had Viking settlements, and I do wonder how they differentiate between the Scandinavians that stayed in Scandinavia and the ones who didn't. You would have to find a mutation that occurred in a particular Viking settler; it would be found in all his Irish or British progeny but not back in his family's homeland.

Your "87% English/Irish" puzzles me. I would think that they would be able to get more specific. With my wife, Ancestry.com was able to narrow her Irish DNA down to a small region in Ireland. With myself they were able to narrow some of my English DNA down to a small region in Cornwall (which I already knew about).

As far as tartans go, House Of Edgar has been weaving tartans for all the Irish Counties since the 1980s. These tartans are nice-looking and are very popular. That's always a possibility if you can narrow it down to a County.

Then there are Irish National tartans.

Perhaps you could find out where that 7% Scots came from, if not what name, what area. There are a number of "District Tartans" for various regions of Scotland, plus various national Scottish tartans.

There's DNA and there's your known family history. In my case I know the people who came from Ireland came from Cavan. Even if I didn't know that, I know their name was Glancy which has this distribution in the mid-19th century



I'm in the same boat as you. My mixed ancestry gives, in truth, too many tartans rather than not enough! I would stand on fairly solid ground wearing

Cavan (I'm 35% Irish, and I know about the Cavan branch, there could be others)

Cornwall (it shows up on my DNA but my Cornish side was already well known to me)

Arran (one branch supposedly came from Arran though I have no documentation)

Stewart (I have numerous Stewart ancestors; it's complicated)

West Virginia (where I'm from)

California (where I live)

to name a few.

[NotScot]

We used Ancestry.com.

While they do narrow the results periodically, my “narrowing” has only been to remove a trace of Iberian influence.

I no longer have any family familiar with our English/Irish/Scots heritage. I may be at a dead-end as far as isolating actual areas or counties.

[OC Richard]

Interesting, my wife had an "Iberian" component, around 10%, which Ancestry.com has since eliminated.

Here's my map, it's so cool how they have the West Virginia thing so clear. My family was the first European settlers on the headwaters of the Guyandotte, so no wonder they have a clear genetic mark.

You can see the region in Cornwall one branch of my family is from, the most recent to come to America, in the 1880s.

They say I have over 200,000 matching members from Cornwall and over 400,000 from southern West Virginia.

(The Norway and Finland are only around 2%.)



I'm sure yours will continue to get more specific as more people take the test.

[AustinDiver]

I am not sure about DNA testing. Ancestry.com came out somewhat consistent with my family’s known genealogy to some extent.


LivingDna was completely off of the mark. They had a huge German and Italian influence, and no French when my ancestry can be traced to early 1700’s and I have a family name of French Origin.

Texas may have had German settlers but they are not in my family tree unless there was an unrecorded adoption.

Differentiating Scottish from English can be tricky to say the least.

[NotScot]

So, Ancestry.com aside, I have tried to search for similar threads to answer my questions but not sure how to phrase it so my results were not helpful.

Is the consensus that I should just pick a pattern I like or really, really try to get to the bottom of things, so to speak?

[AustinDiver]

So, Ancestry.com aside, I have tried to search for similar threads to answer my questions but not sure how to phrase it so my results were not helpful.

Is the consensus that I should just pick a pattern I like or really, really try to get to the bottom of things, so to speak?

I am new to having kilts. My mom’s side had lots of Russell, Wallace, a few others. I was hesitant to use Wallace because 3M uses it. I was unsure about Russell.

I actually created my own tartan and got it registered, but that is an expensive route and takes a long time to get a kilt.

In the meantime, I got a World Scout Jamboree tartan kilt and a couple of Flower of Scotland kilts.

Unless you have genealogical data, treat the DNA with suspicion unless it connects you with long lost relatives that have the reliable genealogical data.

I picked up Flower of Scotland because I liked it. In December, I will have a kilt in a personal tartan that I am fairly certain that I will be happy with.

Later, I may get a Russell, but I think the personal and Flower Of Scotland will be favorites.

[OC Richard]

Is the consensus that I should just pick a pattern I like or really, really try to get to the bottom of things, so to speak?

Or both!

The kilt I usually wear is Isle Of Skye. I got that simply because I loved that tartan! No connexion to Skye as far as I know.

At the same time I've been learning more about my ancestors. That's where the Stewart name pops up... and the Stewarts have an amazing array of tartans!

You can just go with the tartans that you like, preferably not Clan tartans, in order to not step on Clan members' sensibilities.

There are loads of "fashion" tartans and other "universal" tartans, loads of "district" (regional) tartans, US State tartans, Irish county tartans, various National tartans, and so on. You could have a closet full of different kilts without having a single Clan tartan.