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    Here's the most complete list of state tartans I've found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._state_tartans

    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    It's not in the Zaczek book but the Salt Lake City tartan is, "based on the colours of Utah University".
    I'm almost certain they must be referring to the Salt Lake County tartan.
    Salt Lake City does not have an official tartan. Given the mistakes you've already documented from that book, this seems par for the course.
    Also, there is not and has never been a "Utah University". I assume they mean "University of Utah".

    University of Utah's colors are primarily red, with white and some black.
    The Salt Lake County tartan matches that: https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/ta...tails?ref=3643

    I can't find anything in writing (besides your book) to support the claim that the Salt Lake County tartan colors are based on University of Utah's colors.
    But looking at it, I have to assume it's true. It's very red, lined with white and a touch of black.

    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    With some of the tartan-making programs that exist nowadays you can get a pretty good idea of what a tartan would look like woven. With some of the programs you can come up with custom colours so you can play with various palettes.
    Oh, that's a fun idea. I don't think the design is entirely bad. Those colors just feel like they're overly saturated to the point of inducing nausea.
    What program(s) do you recommend?


    Also, for anyone who's curious, Utah's official tartan is specified in Title 63G, Chaper 1, Part 6, Section 601(6)
    (6) Utah's state centennial tartan, which honors the first Scots known to have been in Utah and those Utahns of Scottish heritage, shall have a pattern or repeating-half-sett of white-2, blue-6, red-6, blue-4, red-6, green-18, red-6, and white-4 to represent the tartan worn anciently by the Logan and Skene clans, with the addition of a white stripe.

    source: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title63G/C...3G-1-S601.html

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    The wikipedia page is missing the Kentucky tartan. It's in the Scottish Register of Tartans here: https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/ta...tails?ref=1950.

    It does not look as green in person as the image shows. The grey actually dominates a little more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by User View Post

    Utah's official tartan is specified in Title 63G, Chapter 1, Part 6, Section 601(6)
    I did a quick crude graphic (sorry the quality is terrible) showing that thread count ("Utah Centennial") with different takes on the blue and green.

    That one green looks way darker than it was on my screen, but you get the idea, the dark "modern colours" green.

    It just goes to show how choosing different colours, even only one or two, can drastically change a tartan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleJCS View Post
    The wikipedia page is missing the Kentucky tartan. It's in the Scottish Register of Tartans here: https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/ta...tails?ref=1950.

    It does not look as green in person as the image shows. The grey actually dominates a little more.
    I believe it's worn by the Kentucky United Pipes & Drums, it's beautiful in person.

    https://www.kentuckyunited.org/
    Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    I believe it's worn by the Kentucky United Pipes & Drums, it's beautiful in person.

    https://www.kentuckyunited.org/
    Correct. They have kilts, ties and flashes (though I think they cut back to wearing just the kilt).

    I may be mistaken, but I think any new runs have to be OK'd by the designer(s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleJCS View Post
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    I may be mistaken, but I think any new runs have to be OK'd by the designer(s).
    They didn't list any restrictions when they registered it. And if it's Kentucky's official tartan, it would be strange for the designers to maintain control over it. I assume there are no restrictions on weaving it.
    Last edited by User; 10th July 25 at 02:38 PM.

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    As I said, I could be mistaken. The tartan was created before the Scottish Register of Tartans was created, so any further details may have been lost or not included in the registry post.

    I remember there being a list of what each color supposedly represents. It may have been restricted at the time and the restriction has since been lifted.
    Last edited by EagleJCS; 10th July 25 at 10:11 AM.
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    There’s a California tartan based on the Muir tartan.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_state_tartan

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleJCS View Post

    I may be mistaken, but I think any new runs have to be OK'd by the designer(s).
    Does anyone know if it's a US Patent or Copyright? Or the UK equivalent?

    I'm no patent attorney so I have no idea how that would work. I'm guessing the cloth is woven in the UK.
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    There is an official state tartan here in Connecticut, adopted by statute passed by our legislature. When I was a member of our Saint Andrew's Society, we opposed the bill because the pattern is asymmetrical and did not follow any of the usual conventions on design. The project was started because a UCONN fashion professor was tasked with creating a fabric design for window dressings.

    I like Rocky's design a bit better, although I think our flag is kind of plain looking.

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