Wanted: Lovat green tweed Argyle-type jacket and waistcoat, 44S

[OC Richard]

The Northern Irish are also British.

My understanding is that Britain consists of England, Wales, and Scotland.

While the United Kingdom adds Northern Ireland.

What would seem to logically follow is that the English, Scottish, and Welsh are all British.

But the Northern Irish are...what? UK-ians?

In like manner Canadians, Mexicans, Bolivians, Brazilians etc are just as American as people from the USA are.

So what specifically refers to people from the USA? USA-ians? (It's probably why so many non-USA-ians refer to us as Yankees, so as to differentiate us from all the other Americans.)

[OC Richard]

...a flat cap worn with the kilt looks absolutely awful!

Though very much in the minority flat caps/newsboy caps/etc are seen in the old days.

(The vast majority of kilted men in old photos are wearing either Balmorals or Glengarries, the latter also being deemed unsuitable nowadays.)

I wouldn't know what to call the caps worn by the estate ghillies. I see caps like that called "Greek fishermen hats" "fiddler caps" and "skipper caps"

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[Father Bill]

Completely understanding your logic but the meaning is so specific that in Canada any suggestion that we are American will be widely and deeply unappreciated to say the least. ;)

My understanding is that Britain consists of England, Wales, and Scotland.

While the United Kingdom adds Northern Ireland.

What would seem to logically follow is that the English, Scottish, and Welsh are all British.

But the Northern Irish are...what? UK-ians?

In like manner Canadians, Mexicans, Bolivians, Brazilians etc are just as American as people from the USA are.

So what specifically refers to people from the USA? USA-ians? (It's probably why so many non-USA-ians refer to us as Yankees, so as to differentiate us from all the other Americans.)

[geomick]

an Irish tweed flat cap is fine pairing for me with an Irish tartan kilt (e.g. Tara/Murphy)

the owner of the head chooses what is on top of it

[User]

Though very much in the minority flat caps/newsboy caps/etc are seen in the old days.

(The vast majority of kilted men in old photos are wearing either Balmorals or Glengarries, the latter also being deemed unsuitable nowadays.)

I wouldn't know what to call the caps worn by the estate ghillies. I see caps like that called "Greek fishermen hats" "fiddler caps" and "skipper caps"

To my eyes, a lot of those kilts are worn to the bottom of the knees. Am I seeing correctly? Has the ideal/acceptable kilt length changed over time? I'd be most interested if anyone has a record of this. I probably just need to do a proper search on this forum...

Also, my favorite hat is my fiddler cap. It frequents my head, even when kilted, when I'm dressing casually and won't be in the sun too long (otherwise I insist on a wide full brim). So it's nice to see that at some point in time people agreed with my sense of fashion 😄

[Jock Scot]

[QUOTE=OC Richard;1415537]My understanding is that Britain consists of England, Wales, and Scotland.

While the United Kingdom adds Northern Ireland.

What would seem to logically follow is that the English, Scottish, and Welsh are all British.

But the Northern Irish are...what? UK-ians?

In like manner Canadians, Mexicans, Bolivians, Brazilians etc are just as American as people from the USA are.

So what specifically refers to people from the USA? USA-ians? (It's probably why so many non-USA-ians refer to us as Yankees, so as to differentiate us from all the other Americans.)[/QUOTE



Unless and until the good people of Northern Ireland(aka Ulster-men/women), whose fairly recent ancestors voted to remain within the UK during the partition negotiations, change their minds, then they remain British. Just like the Welsh, Scots and the English.

Or, to put it another way,"British" is the collective noun for ALL of us, Northern Irish, Scots, Welsh, Manxmen(those from the Isle of Man), those from the Chanel Islands and yes, ........ the English, which does include those from Yorkshire!

Now can we return to discussing kilts.