Also, if you can sway from the solids and move to the "dark side" with a camoflauge... Jeff at Pittsburgh Kilts has the fit and feel that you're looking for.

The USAK casual will work just fine for your needs! They hang off the hips like you're looking for, and when it comes to the value for the money... it's unbeatable. Philabegs tend to sit a little higher than the casuals.

The BearKilts are WELL worth the wait these days. I know the man's busy with huge orders, but the construction, quality and hang are unmatched for the money. That's why I have two "Grizzlys".

Glad you finally "chimed-in" on the board. We're all pretty nice around here, and the ones that bite have already had their rabies shots.