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26th August 05, 01:53 AM
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 Originally Posted by herminator
Yes, heīs the bossīs boss, no way past him. And I have to add that this is a Christian House(TM) founded by brethren.
And with wife and three children I will not risk anything for what is after all a clothing issue.
I will go to our works council, but as we belong to a churches welfare council our rights as workers are even less than usual. So I do not think anything can be done other than wear a "trousers stink" T-shirt.
It is just that Iīve been wearing my kilt to work for ca. 1/2 year without anybody protesting and now I have to change back! That sucks!!
Hermann, one of my views in life if your going to go into a fight the best victory is to win with their own rules.
I maybe out of line here but didn't Jesus in his teaching say something about obeying the laws of the land....then how is it you have less rights because you work for the church?
I'm also in agreement with Shay, I'd put a robe on like Jesus.
Be warned though that if you challange their authority you could be dismissed for breaking the rules so you have to be prepared from the start to take it all the way.
I can tell Hermann you're a intelligent guy, and I wish you luck if you decide to fight this ridiculous ruling.
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3rd January 06, 10:23 AM
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I've belonged to several solid, Bible-believing orthodox Anglican churches. Not only did folks like seeing me in the kilt on Christmas and Easter, but I wasn't alone! In one parish, the senior church warden (who had not so much as a drop of Scots blood in him) wore the kilt on high holy days. In my current parish, the vicar owns a belted plaid! We had a St. Andrew's dinner complete with kilt-clad haggis bearer and piper in 2004.
Regards,
Mark (a proudly kilt-clad Christian)
Disclaimer: I struggle with kilt puritanism ... sometimes I consider utilikilts, sportkilts, and like products as blasphemy! :-\ Perhaps you should try wearing an 8-yarder to work. ;-)
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3rd January 06, 12:15 PM
#3
Not just 'bad' but 'sad'...
Hermann - I hope more catholic (in Ignatius's sense of the word not Rome) minds come to bear on the issue. I like to think that Luther would have your back on this one, too. He wasn't a big fan of those who misused their power and influence.
I cannot help wondering why this one person's perception preempts those of all others? After all, you don't mention kilt-wearing concerns voiced by any other boardmember, person at the facility or congregant. Just this one man.
If the other members of the Board and adminstration yield to this man so readily, I fear for the 'Christian' outlook of your House. Seems to me that either the Board has been superceded by a cult of personality built around this man or the Board is being unduly influenced by one person's agenda. Either situation is bad. I'll hold off from further comment that might tank this post.
It would be enlightening to know what, specifically, makes this guy uncomfortable. I think they owe you that in light of issuing you a written directive forbidding you to ever appear on the grounds kilted.
You've got a good view on the "God first, family second and career third" concept. One's principles sometimes must yield to full bellies, a roof over the head, etc. Maybe this current hiccup is an opportunity to help a misguided fellow Christian.
Keep the faith.
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3rd January 06, 12:57 PM
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I'm very sorry to hear about the discrimination you are facing.
When my church was first introduced to my kilt-ing, a few eyebrows were raised.
When one of the ladies mentioned something to me, I quietly asked her for the passage that mentioned Jesus wearing pants. ;) Nothing more has ever been mentioned.
While I wear kilts whenever I can, I try to always wear one for Sunday services. I am one of our church's ushers, and help with the Offeratory each week. I now regularly field questions regarding tartans, history, heritage, etc. And of course I got married in this church, in a full outfit.
I guess while our situations are not that alike, there is hope that you can open their eyes and minds.
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3rd January 06, 05:42 PM
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 Originally Posted by bjcustard
I'm very sorry to hear about the discrimination you are facing.
When my church was first introduced to my kilt-ing, a few eyebrows were raised.
When one of the ladies mentioned something to me, I quietly asked her for the passage that mentioned Jesus wearing pants. ;) Nothing more has ever been mentioned.
While I wear kilts whenever I can, I try to always wear one for Sunday services. I am one of our church's ushers, and help with the Offeratory each week. I now regularly field questions regarding tartans, history, heritage, etc. And of course I got married in this church, in a full outfit.
I guess while our situations are not that alike, there is hope that you can open their eyes and minds.
SENSIBLE AND POLITE. MAYBE SOME GENTLE PERSUASION WILL HELP? OR,IS THIS ALL FINAL?
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3rd January 06, 06:06 PM
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As ever, education is a needed first step. Don't cross sabres before politely trying to enlighten the ignorant ones.
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