Umm, here's a real brute force technique. Not only am I short, but in our band, we have standard black US Navy surplus ties that are regular length. The extra tail on my tie was _really_ long. So, I just tied my tie with a nice big knot, got out a pair of scissors, and cut the tail of the tie off in the back. Because ties are made on the bias, it hasn't raveled yet, and it's been 4 years.

Barb