Kilt, Skirt, MUG, etc.

**KiltedCodeWarrior** · 22nd September 05, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by bubba

If it's made like a kilt it's a kilt, period. Sorry, but I'm not about to buy into anyones' agenda. Kilts are kilts no matter what material they're made from. If it wraps left over right and has pleats across the back it's a mans kilt no matter how the fashion freedom advocates try to finagle the definition.

Bubba, I have NO agenda, open, hidden, or kilted!

I am curious about people's views, and in generating some good conversations as are going on in other threads.( Plus, I wanted to see if we could generate more posts using topics other than the 3 Jimmy proposed in the Chatty Group thread!)

**yoippari** · 22nd September 05, 04:40 PM

I'm of the "If it is made to be a kilt then it is" camp. MUG might apply as a general category, kinda like pants can include jeans, capris, slacks, and many other variations. Of course so will the term skirt but the connotation of skirt is feminine.

I don't mind the term MUG as a term, but if it looks like a kilt, if it is made like a kilt, if it is supposed to be a kilt then it is a kilt.

My problem is not when someone calls it a skirt because they don't know any better, but when they call it a skirt but know it is a kilt. It took my dad a while to stop calling my stillwater a skirt and he still does sometimes. My mom calls it a skirt sometimes but she has just been silently supportive even though she doesn't like the thing. My grandpa, who I had talked to about this when I was talking to my grandma (he wife) about her possibly making a kilt, calls it a skirt is an almost mocking tone.

**motorman4life** · 22nd September 05, 06:15 PM

I have a few friends that call my kilts skirts in a mocking way... maybe trying to get a "rise" out of me. Like I've said here before, my usual response is "If it really turns you on, you can call it a skirt... otherwise, it's a kilt." That usually stops the comments, at least for that day. Some seem to expect that response and have stopped calling it a skirt or have stopped even acknowledging it, particularly if they feel they will get ribbed by others for my insinuating response.

I found it more difficult when I started wearing my kilt around my friends and long-term acquaintances than around total strangers. I guess strangers usually don't have a particular notion about you in their heads and the kilt is less likely to contradict their perception of you. I don't know for sure. It must be something along those lines though.

It is really gratifying when a total stranger says, "Nice kilt" or "Cool kilt" in passing. I'm not sure why some of my "friends" feel compelled to make snide "skirt" comments as little digs. I just give them my stock response and they are slowly coming around.

Back in July, I had a couple of bad reactions from some guys that I see once or twice a year at an International convention. I was shocked at their vocal disapproval and childish reactions to my kilt. Keep in mind, these are grown men in their mid-50's that I really respected (previously). Once I read somewhere that someone called their kilt an "******* detector." The unexpectedly rude comments made me think of that particular term at the time and I think it is true. Someone that saw their hysterics came over to see if I was upset by their comments and I said, "No, it's cool, I used to really respect those guys. Now, I see I was just giving them too much credit. It's always nice to know who the real assholes are." We just laughed. My comment got back to one of them and he came and apologized later.

If you walk into a room in a kilt, you generally own the room. If there is an ******* (or 2) in the room, it is likely to illicit a strong reaction. If anything, wearing a kilt over the past 5 months has allowed me to reevaluate who I spend my precious free time with.

**KiltedCodeWarrior** · 22nd September 05, 06:35 PM

[QUOTE=motorman4life... I'm not sure why some of my "friends" feel compelled to make snide "skirt" comments as little digs. I just give them my stock response and they are slowly coming around....[/QUOTE]

The most likely case is that they really admire that you have the balls to wear it and they are stuck wearing pants. People always ridicule that which they don't understand, and that which they wish they could do but are afraid to try.

RJI

**The Wizard of BC** · 22nd September 05, 06:46 PM

MUG (Male Un-bifurcated Garment) is a term coined by the Utilikilts crowd.
The UK is not, and does not pretend to be related to the Celtic Kilt, Cilt.
Because the intent was to develop a totally new type of garment it was thought a new term should be invented also.

My choice for a term to describe the style of Kilt I manufacture is "Contemporary Kilt".

For high waisted, buckled, Tartan kilts I use the wording "Traditional", with a differentation between "Tank" for an 8yd. handsewn, and "Casual" for a less than 8yd and/or machine sewn.

**Archangel** · 22nd September 05, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by The Wizard of BC

MUG (Male Un-bifurcated Garment) is a term coined by the Utilikilts crowd.
The UK is not, and does not pretend to be related to the Celtic Kilt, Cilt.
Because the intent was to develop a totally new type of garment it was thought a new term should be invented also.

My choice for a term to describe the style of Kilt I manufacture is "Contemporary Kilt".

For high waisted, buckled, Tartan kilts I use the wording "Traditional", with a differentation between "Tank" for an 8yd. handsewn, and "Casual" for a less than 8yd and/or machine sewn.

Works for me. the end.

**Miah** · 22nd September 05, 07:08 PM

I am about the same lines as Steve, but I might say Modern Kilt, for the FK, USAK, UK, PK, Bear, and all the other modern styles, they are all still kilts but they have a slight modern twist. Then there are the older style traditional 8 yard tank, and the 4 or 5 yard Hill walker.

**Blu (Ontario)** · 22nd September 05, 07:16 PM

The whole kilt definition theme has been raised many times in the past. I guess I'm at the point where I no longer care about it. The debate is ultimately moot. All technical details aside... this is like arguing the differences between shorts and long trousers. These garments are what they are and those who happen to see you on the street will evaluate what they see in their own context regardless of what you or I think.

**Blu (Ontario)** · 22nd September 05, 07:25 PM

I could never quite get used to the term MUG. A mug is something you put coffee in or perhaps the face that stares back at you in the bathroom mirror in the morning. Nahhh... KILT will do just fine thanx.

**Mike1** · 23rd September 05, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Blu (Ontario)

The whole kilt definition theme has been raised many times in the past. I guess I'm at the point where I no longer care about it. The debate is ultimately moot. All technical details aside... this is like arguing the differences between shorts and long trousers. These garments are what they are and those who happen to see you on the street will evaluate what they see in their own context regardless of what you or I think.

Blu, I quoted this because I think it makes one heckuva lot of good sense. It's worth reading a second time, for all of us.