Kilt, Skirt, MUG, etc.

[Freedomlover]

So two questions for you: i) if not from the culture, where do you think the definitions of English words come from? ii) I'll ask a THIRD TIME, why is it so important to you that kilts be viewed as a type of skirt? Give a responsive answer, please. I've given my answer before. I suspect you don't really read my postings.

I thought you wanted to simply agree to disagree?

i) I agree that word meanings are often derived from culture. And certain cannotations get attached the same way.

ii) And I will tell you once again that the kilt meets every descriptive qualification for 'skirt'. It is, for sure, a special subset of 'skirt', but it is a skirt nonetheless. Someone else said that people who do not accept that are in denial. I agree with him.

I do read your posts. Carefully.

I understand that you want nothing to do with women's clothing. Great. Neither do I. There is nothing feminine about the kilt. But it is a kind of skirt. Insisting that it isn't because "women wear skirts" is irrational.

I think we have gone far enough.

[jkdesq]

"Often meanings are derived from culture". If it is not "always" and only "often," where else do the definitions of words come from? Answer the question. WHERE DO YOU THINK DEFINITIONS OF WORDS COME FROM?

Despite your comments that my position is irrational--evidencing that you do not respect my position--if you came up with a reasonable explanation for the source of word definitions I could be satisfied.

Any offer of an agreement to disagree is implicitly rejected when you parse out my posting (selectively) and rehash old arguments.

[Freedomlover]

"Often meanings derived from culture". If it is not "always" and only "often," where else do the definitions of words come from? Answer the question. WHERE DO YOU THINK DEFINITIONS OF WORDS COME FROM?

I will cite an example: protactinium.

Despite your comments that my position is irrational--evidencing that you do not respect my position--if you came up with a reasonable explanation for the source of word definitions I could be satisfied.

I respect your right to your opinion, and have said so many times. But I do not respect the opinion itself for the sound reasons previously given.

Any offer of an agreement to disagree is implicitly rejected when you parse out my posting (selectively) and rehash old arguments.

Read it again:

I thought you wanted to simply agree to disagree?

I did not offer to agree to disagree. YOU DID in your post #83.

This has become pointless.

[jkdesq]

I will cite an example: protactinium.

Answer the question, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE DEFINITION OF WORDS COME FROM? An answer relating solely to scientific nomenclature is completely irrelevant as "skirt" and "kilt" are not scientific words.

There is a point. You have made us all read your postings. I believe you owe it to us to explain your view on where word meanings obtain their validity.

Yes, I know I offered to "agree to disagree". Apparently, you think you can accept and reject at the same time?

You "respect" my position, you just think it is irrational and wrong? Strange kind of respect.

[Freedomlover]

Answer the question, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE DEFINITION OF WORDS COME FROM? An answer relating solely to scientific nomenclature is completely irrelevant as "skirt" and "kilt" are not scientific words.

You said that words "always" come from culture. I have shown that to be untrue. Sorry if that doesn't suit you, but "always" (your choice of word) is a universal class that has no exceptions.

There is a point. You have made us all read your postings. I believe you owe it to us to explain your view on where word meanings obtain their validity.

Nonesense. I have not "made" anyone do anything. People read what they want to.

Yes, I know I offered to "agree to disagree". Apparently, you think you can accept and reject at the same time?

That is a non sequitur.