Good form

**macwilkin** · 12th October 05, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by KiltedCodeWarrior

Mods,

Out of curiousity, how many posts did that thread get to? I agree with Archangel that it had gone on too long. The only reason I continued to monitor it was because it seemed to be the longest thread that I could find and I wondered if it would break 200 posts. The number of views was also pretty large, over 3000 I believe.

I would like to have seen it kept around but closed for new posts as I think that there was a lot of good discussion that would be valuable to new people coming to the site.

The thread is back in the General Kilt section, but in "lock down" mode.

Regards,

Todd

**KiltedCodeWarrior** · 12th October 05, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

The thread is back in the General Kilt section, but in "lock down" mode.

Regards,

Todd

Todd, Thanks! And in reviewing the few posts I had not seen, I see my last post that attempted to add some humor and levity was taken as a serious post. Should have added a smiley :grin:

Although it did get them to agree to something!

Jkdesq and Freedomlover, there was no malice intended, sorry if it was taken that way.

RJI

**Freedomlover** · 12th October 05, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by KiltedCodeWarrior

Jkdesq and Freedomlover, there was no malice intended, sorry if it was taken that way.
RJI

I never thought there was. In the year or so I have been around here I have found only one malicious person (who shall remain anonymous).

**jjoseph** · 12th October 05, 10:10 AM

I do not know which thread is being referred to, but I have seen several posts over the last weeks re. threads which moderators had pulled/locked, etc. Maybe I'm missing the point, but isn't that what moderators do? Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I figure while I'm on Xmarks, I'm someone's guest, not a paying member of a club or a voting member of a board. It's their house; if I'm not comfortable with the rules, shouldn't I go to the host rather than the other guests? Besides, isn't the idea to foster relationship and communication about kilts and kilt-wearing? If a thread, even a good and lively one in "off topic" is starting to either wreck relationships or be a distraction, isn't that just what moderators are for? to pull the thread and help us get back to the business of building up the list? Imperfections and all this is a really cool thing. Some folks are doing a lot of hard work to create and maintain it. Kudos to the guys who love discussion. Kudos to the ones who help us keep it good.

**jkdesq** · 12th October 05, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by jjoseph

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I figure while I'm on Xmarks, I'm someone's guest, not a paying member of a club or a voting member of a board. It's their house; if I'm not comfortable with the rules, shouldn't I go to the host rather than the other guests? Besides, isn't the idea to foster relationship and communication about kilts and kilt-wearing? If a thread, even a good and lively one in "off topic" is starting to either wreck relationships or be a distraction, isn't that just what moderators are for?

I guess I don't see it that way. If one invites people to one's house for a political decision, one should not be suprized when a political disagreement arises. Same if one invites people for a Bible study. Whether the dispute is over the rights of the proletariat, con or transubstantiation, If people are intended to discuss things, there is going to be disagreement. If a person inviting discussion is not anticipating disagreement, I would suggest that the person is not really seeking a full and frank exchange of ideas.

It surprized me that the entire thread was pulled without any word of why. As I couldn't check what I posted (as I had no access), I couldn't go back and make sure that I didn't say something offensive. It was open to speculate that someone had said something way beyond the pale that I had not seen. My suggestion is that if threads are going to be pulled or locked, the recent posters should be given some reason as to why. If their conduct is impugned, they should be told what they did wrong and what rule they broke.

If people don't know why these things happen, there will be a chill effect. People will be afraid to say anything controversial. Posts will become less interesting and forum members will loose interest. The page will loose momentum. My two cents.

**highlandtide** · 12th October 05, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by jkdesq

If people don't know why these things happen, there will be a chill effect. People will be afraid to say anything controversial. Posts will become less interesting and forum members will loose interest. The page will loose momentum. My two cents.

Maybe you should refer to the FAQ/Rules.

Also refer to this which I posted a while back, and a while back before that. Man I feel like I am on a loop with this one...

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/s...56&postcount=5

**jkdesq** · 12th October 05, 12:34 PM

Good to know where you stand. Sorry to bother you.

**Colin** · 12th October 05, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by jkdesq

If people don't know why these things happen, there will be a chill effect. People will be afraid to say anything controversial. Posts will become less interesting and forum members will loose interest. The page will loose momentum. My two cents.

I was one of the first members here, and people have been saying that exact same thing since the day I signed up. Hank has gotten more vigilant in that time (call it tried and tested experience) and yet interest in this site has only increased more rapidly. Jjoseph is right, we are not paying members of this forum, not are we members of a board. This is a free service for like minded people that enjoy Highland dress. As for less interesting posts, I find the controversial ones the most boring of the lot.

Hank and the moderator team (which was originally just Nelson than added Rufus, and now stands at 5) have always been clear about the rules and their desire to maintain the peace on this forum. If people do have an issue with any of the political or religious discussions being removed in an attempt to keep that peace, I suggest that you start your own side forum where those discussions can take place and where you can make the rules.

I was always raised that when you are a guest, that you pay respect to the hosts rules. Do I always like it or agree with them.....no I don't, but I am still a guest so I will keep my mouth shut and live with it.

**jkdesq** · 12th October 05, 12:41 PM

Colin,

I wasn't suggesting that this was a place for religous or political debate. I was saying that NO MATTER what the topic is (ie. including kilts) there is going to be disagreement.

All I was saying is that if threads are going to be pulled, it would be in everyone's interest that the people who have broken the rules know what rule they broke. I still do not know exactly why the decision was taken. It doesn't seem that any post was deleted so it can't be for offensive content. It is hard to make sure I don't run afoul again (if I did run afoul), if I don't know what I did wrong.

**Colin** · 12th October 05, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by jkdesq

Colin,

I wasn't suggesting that this was a place for religous or political debate. I was saying that NO MATTER what the topic is (ie. including kilts) there is going to be disagreement.

All I was saying is that if threads are going to be pulled, it would be in everyone's interest that the people who have broken the rules know what rule they broke. I still do not know exactly why the decision was taken. It doesn't seem that any post was deleted so it can't be for offensive content. It is hard to make sure I don't run afoul again (if I did run afoul), if I don't know what I did wrong.

Fair enough mate, I missed your point. I apologize

My response was also more in general rather than just directed at yourself. I have been hearing the whinging about deleted posts for what seems like ages. Usually it is the people that know exactly what they have done, but are looking to stir the pot or to push the limits.