Too Fearful!

[bear]

"X Marks the Scot is a community of kilt wearers and those who encourage the wearing of kilts. Kilts are a man's garment and it is our goal to promote the wearing of the kilt in more than just the "Highland Games" situation. This is not a forum for men looking to wear womens clothing nor is it a forum for other types of men's unbifurbricated garments. If you want to know more about kilts then you have come to the right place!"

It's not about words. That has been made clear in the other post. Why try and make this something other than it is?
It is about keeping this forum kilts only. Some here think the underkilt is kilt related. Fine. But there have been reviews/comments/mention of his other skirts on this site.
Shall we open the flood gates just a tiny bit and see what happens? Remember, it wasn't political or religious arguments/flames that made us leave Tom's. It was crossdressing and talk of feminine habits taken up by men.
With the rigid rules regarding politics/religion on this site, I wonder at the comparative slackness for the real problem.
And James, I have few doubts, seldom feel weak, and fear very little in my life.
What a woman complains about or doesn't complain about has nothing to do with my kilts.
The Utilikilt, in spite of claims to the opposite, was designed after the Celtic kilt. (Unless Steve pulled the design out of thin air.) Actually, there are museum kilts with the exact same pleating. So doubting whether Utilikilts are real kilts is silly. Add pockets to a kilt and it's still a kilt.

JDEZ took a poll on Tom's to see if anyone minded calling his skirts kilts.
Then he started calling them kilts.
Then he changed the name to mock kilts.
Even his fustanella inspired skirt is called a kilt!

Why don't you get on JDEZ's case? He seems just as, if not more so, concerned about the choice of words than I am! He is more concerned about how his product is perceived than I. But you only choose to see your perceived fear on the faces that disagree with your position.
I just don't want his skirts on the all kilt site.

[Archangel]

We're going to get all silly about this kilt/skirt word again. Best wishes aside, get used to it, a kilt is a type of skirt. It's a type of skirt called a kilt whether it's worn by a Catholic schoolgirl or my grandfather in the trenches.
It's what's inside that counts.

Granted my grandfather's kilt is going to heavier than the schoolgirl's, and that would be part of my defining. However, bear in mind that my grandfather's kilt would be far heavier than anything available on the market today so we're back to square one.

Vocabulary reflects ideology: break free from the limitations of the word as well as the clothes. Get over it, move on, that part of life really doesn't matter. Enjoy the breeze.

[Bob C]

Words mean things. That's why we have them.

[Ruanaidh]

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'

[Rob]

It's a type of skirt called a kilt whether it's worn by a Catholic schoolgirl or my grandfather in the trenches.

As far as we residents of the UK are concerned, grandfathers in the trenches wore kilts, and schoolgirls wear kilted skirts. The two are not the same regardless of the fact that Americans (incorrectly) refer to Catholic schoolgirls' skirts as kilts.

Rob

[flyv65]

This thread, and the one on underkilts, brought me to check out Tom's cafe (thanks for the links, Colin). I surfed around a bit over there and, at least on the threads to which Colin linked, I thought the Tom's cafe crowd to be much more belligerent and strident in forcing their opinions on the kiltwearers than vice-versa. I can say with all honesty that if the Cafe were the only forum open to me as a kilted gentleman, I would blithely go about my life and not miss them a bit, something that wouldn't be true about Xmarks.

Bryan...notice I didn't mention the kilt/skirt issue, because it had no bearing on my statements...

[Archangel]

As far as we residents of the UK are concerned, grandfathers in the trenches wore kilts, and schoolgirls wear kilted skirts. The two are not the same regardless of the fact that Americans (incorrectly) refer to Catholic schoolgirls' skirts as kilts.

Rob

This ex-resident of the UK begs to differ and wishes to observe that you are dead wrong. I would offer this link as evidence (and suggest that further information can be found by the dangerous game of googling "catholic school kilt uk"): http://www.bellerive.liverpool.sch.uk/uniform.html.

(All this from a nation that immortalized one man's last words to another man, "kiss me, Hardy."?)