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28th March 06, 09:37 PM
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 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Very good, sir! I do appreciate you posting that! I suspected that the sgain dubh in question was from the South African (Boer) War, and not the Crimean War, as one vendor claimed. The original Swiss Army Knives issued to the Swiss Army were introduced in the 1890's, so the timeframe is correct.
Once again, many thanks for posting!
Cheers, 
Todd
Interesting, the original Swiss Army knife is from the 1890's but the multi-tool Sgian Dubh has silver hallmarks from 1874. Yet another invention that came from the Scots but for which the credit has wrongfully been claimed by another group, in this case the Swiss.
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28th March 06, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GlassMan
Interesting, the original Swiss Army knife is from the 1890's but the multi-tool Sgian Dubh has silver hallmarks from 1874. Yet another invention that came from the Scots but for which the credit has wrongfully been claimed by another group, in this case the Swiss.
Just goes to show the influence that was brought on to the entire world, by the Scots.
Glen McGuire
A Life Lived in Fear, Is a Life Half Lived.
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28th March 06, 10:08 PM
#3
the above mentioned tool should be called
the scottish army knife
I'm an 18th century guy born into the 20th century and have been dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
We do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing"
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28th March 06, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GMan
Just goes to show the influence that was brought on to the entire world, by the Scots.
*Cough*
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29th March 06, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by The Supreme Canuck
aye- guid read thot!
shuid be required readin'!
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29th March 06, 04:30 AM
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SAK & Sgain Dubh
Originally Posted by GlassMan
Interesting, the original Swiss Army knife is from the 1890's but the multi-tool Sgian Dubh has silver hallmarks from 1874. Yet another invention that came from the Scots but for which the credit has wrongfully been claimed by another group, in this case the Swiss.
Hmmm...I wouldn't make such a claim without documented evidence that Carl Elsener, the inventor of the SAK, was influenced by this sgian dubh. As Joe stated earlier, this was most likely a "private purchase" item, and not issued by the Army to all soldiers. Elsener designed the SAK because Swiss soldiers needed a screwdriver to maintain and clean their rifle, and he wanted the Swiss Army to be issued a Swiss knife. Before the Swiss were issuing German knives.
I don't think you can say that the Swiss have "wrongfully" claimed the credit for it -- how many of the sgian dubhs are manufactured? Were they ever issued (and not purchased privately) by Scottish soldiers? There are just too many unanswered questions to say that the Swiss "stole" this idea from the Scots.
Regards,
Todd
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29th March 06, 11:11 AM
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Everything old is new again. Check out the "Officer's Sgian Dubh" at the bottom of this page:
http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/blackknife.html
It's what's in my sock now!
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29th March 06, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome
Thanks for that link. I thought I had seen those for sale, but I couldn't find the site or remember where it was.
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29th March 06, 12:10 PM
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Matt
Are the blades on those stainless steel or high carbon?
I'm an 18th century guy born into the 20th century and have been dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
We do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing"
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29th March 06, 01:49 PM
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Stainless, I'm pretty sure.
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