And they call themselves men ...

[Schultz]

We are only a dying breed if we let the breed die.

Good point. Let's not let that happen

[arrogcow]

Don't forget gentlemen.....


ALWAYS put the seat down!

In the name of equality shouldn't she lift the seat back up

Adam

[Mattg]

In the name of equality shouldn't she lift the seat back up

Adam

Amen!

[flyv65]

We are only a dying breed if we let the breed die.

What if it becomes necessary for the breed to evolve to survive? Courtesy and politeness are defined by the society and times in which they are found. If we don't adapt sufficiently to fit into our culture's definition of what is courtesy, do we risk becoming anachronistic, and having our values ignored or supplanted by future generations in favor of someone else's opinions? What are we defining as "the breed"; the adherance to manners, or the concepts of justice and honor? And are they exclusive?

Bryan...feeling philosophical today...

[Iolaus]

We are only a dying breed if we let the breed die.

My step-son does his best to treat women the way he saw me treat his mother. The breed will not die, it just carries on through cycles; we happen to be at one end of a cycle, but it's swinging back.

In the name of equality shouldn't she lift the seat back up

In the name of equality, drop the lid; that way everyone has to lift something.

[cormacmacguardhe]

Like many of you I was raised with "common courtesy", it was just the way you treated others. I have noticed a decline in this over the past many years, not sure of the reason, could be a multitude of them. It matters not to me, I feel that all persons are deserving of respect, and the courtesy that goes along with it, at least up to the point that they show themselves undeserving.
My wife had a rather eye-opening experience not long ago, due to a recent illness she found it necessary to use one of those electric carts that stores provide for their customers. She told me that she was amazed at how people did not seem to notice that she was even there. She gained a new perspective from that experience.

[The Supreme Canuck]

Panache:

Very well said. I'll stick to it, and try to keep the bitterness and cynicism to a minimum. I know I'm acting in the proper fashion, and anyone who says otherwise can take a flying leap off a very tall bridge. Good to know that things do change at some point, though. Thanks for that.

[minimalistix]

In these days of equality, one might no longer offer to give up a seat for a young lady but I would always offer a seat to an elderly or disabled person, regardless of sex. My wife is disabled and I recall being in the busy self service restaurant at Falkirk Wheel a couple of years ago trying to maneouvre my wife and a tray of food while looking for a seat. There were about four tables each with one person on them, all of whom took objection to my wife sitting down, claiming they were keeping all the seats for people further back in the servery queue. It took a lot of tact not to tell them just how selfish they were. Some of these people need to have a spell of temporary incapacity to teach them a lesson. Rant over for today.

Agree with you on that. Elderly, disabled, pregnant, someone who look like they're in pain from standing etc. I'll gladly give up my seat to a man or women. I also hold doors open for women and sometimes men, or hold them open behind me for common courtesy. If I'm dating a women, I'm old fashioned, I open the doors, pay for dates etc.

However, if she's an able bodied young women, the likelyhood of me giving up my seat is slim.

I disagree with this one. I've had any number of people tell me not to call them sir, usually followed by "I'm not that old." I politely inform them that "sir" isn't a term I use for people older than me, but it is a word of respect. In that sense, I'll call anyone sir (or ma'am) just due to the fact that they are either male or female.

As well, I'll sometimes say that I call anyone "sir" who is superior to me in *some* way. Be that age, or position. I'm 21, and I call the 16 year old who serves me at that fast food restaurant "sir" simply because he is superior to me, in that he is the one serving my food.

In contrast, I will not call the millionaire "sir" who treats me like crap in some way.

"Sir" is a word of respect, not a status symbol or age indicator

So funny, I was at a formal wedding reception in Chicago. It was a typical yankee wedding (Love saying that, it drives my northern friends nuts) with a sit down dinner. Anyway, I was talking with a couple from the area and was asked a question. (I don't have much of a southern accent. It's fairly neutral) I responded 'yes mam' and 'yes sir' the lady smiled and said 'you must be from the south' to which I responded 'born and raised or inbreed and brought up as some might say'

[Kilted KT]

What if it becomes necessary for the breed to evolve to survive? Courtesy and politeness are defined by the society and times in which they are found. If we don't adapt sufficiently to fit into our culture's definition of what is courtesy, do we risk becoming anachronistic, and having our values ignored or supplanted by future generations in favor of someone else's opinions? What are we defining as "the breed"; the adherance to manners, or the concepts of justice and honor? And are they exclusive?

Bryan...feeling philosophical today...

By definition, to die is to cease to exist, to end life. Evolution is the adaptation of a "breed" to it's environment to ensure survival. I fully expect that there will be evolutionary changes in how chivalry, manner, justice and honor are percieved, but I hope that they do not die as a whole.

As far as exclusivity of concepts, manners, justice and honor are in many cases intertwined. Good manners, in a sense, are a way in which we honor those who are our elders. Through justice we honor the concepts and ideals our forfathers fought and died for.

Through Kilts we show the world that we are who we are, and there is very little that can be done about it. We stand for our own beliefs and ideals, and are in most cases not afraid to defend them. Although is seems to be a simple piece of cloth to many, the Kilt stands for far more, although I'll let the professional historians handle that whole discussion.

[minimalistix]

Remember, we are kilted gentlemen. We are used to standing out from the crowd. In this age of self-centered behaviour we again stand out by being well-mannered. We are the ones that people point to and say, "Why can't more people be like him."

A good rule is to try to be the type of person you would be proud to call a friend.

So you're saying carrying a tourch around and pretending to be a viking while kilted in not a good idea...knew I was doing something wrong...