Delicate regimental question

**longshadows** · 28th April 06, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by arrogcow

But that's what the BGC is for. Either your gut pushes the front down or your butt causes the back to ride up. BGC makes the front a little longer so the hem is still paralel to the ground. Adam

It seems that the folks at UK became aware of this as a real issue and introduced the BGC. If it were only our imagination, I don't think they would have done it.

The name is misleading. You don't have to have a "beer gut" to end up with a shorter rear than front. A "bubble butt" also takes up extra material length, which slightly lifts the back hem.

Just having a "full" set of hips of even dispersion may not make much of a difference when standing, but when you sit and that extra body fat spreads out, it pushes the rear of the kilt out and back, allowing for less fabric to end up under your crotch.

That's why good kilt makers need that third measurement, the hips, so as to compensate for that effect. Steve even has his customers to put the measuring tape around the hips and then SIT DOWN to allow for the extra spread to be recorded.

**longshadows** · 28th April 06, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Shay

From a purely health standpoint, assuming you're clean and tidy... a little touching shouldn't be a huge problem. But do folks a favor and please double check you're not leaving anything behind, stray hairs, condensation, etc...

Yes, you're right, but that's a very delicate and tricky operation. I have to admit that it happened to me one day. I had met a friend for lunch at a nice restaurant that had dark, wooden chairs. When we got up to leave, I looked down and noticed a round spot of condensation in the middle of the chair, where my warmer parts had slipped past the rear hem of my kilt and lain on the cooler wood of the chair. Well, it's all well and good to say, "check your equipment," but frankly how do you do that discretely? "Pardon me while I wipe off my chair. ha ha!"

In retrospect, having experienced this bit of kilt-life first hand, I think I will wipe off the seat of the chair as I stand up and push the chair back in one single action. I guess, like "sweeping the pleats" as I sit down, this is just one of those little skills a well-brought-up "lady from hell" must cultivate. :rolleyes:

**Rex_Tremende** · 28th April 06, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by longshadows

Just having a "full" set of hips of even dispersion may not make much of a difference when standing, but when you sit and that extra body fat spreads out, it pushes the rear of the kilt out and back, allowing for less fabric to end up under your crotch.

Well, I don't have much of a gut, and I think my waistband is parallel to the floor, so this could be the explanation. I *am* what you might describe as "plush."

Originally Posted by longshadows

That's why good kilt makers need that third measurement, the hips, so as to compensate for that effect. Steve even has his customers to put the measuring tape around the hips and then SIT DOWN to allow for the extra spread to be recorded.

It's one reason why I don't care for my NeoKilt much. It's too short and too snug around the hips - so much so, that I can sorta see my religion through the apron. I have to get a sporran before I'll ever wear it in public, and then, it will have to be to an event that does not require much sitting.

Having just ordered one of Steve's kilts, I was aware of the difference in measuring instructions, and, indeed, turned in a different set of data on the order.

Truthfully, I don't really care whether my privates pop out underneath when I sit, I just wondered if it was common. Seems by the response that they're not supposed to, but it's not uncommon, either.

Regards,
Rex (and 'the boys') in Cincinnati

**Chris Webb** · 28th April 06, 03:30 PM

I folded over the waiste of my 20" SportKilt I wore to work today because I got a bit hot (self employed construction). This made it a rather short 18". After finishing work early I rushed off to have lunch with Peggy at the Country Club.

Oh, boy! All I can say is that everything I had was over the hem when I sat in a leather chair to eat lunch. When I tried to get up I found myself secured rather well to the seat ... ouch!

I literally had to peal myself of the chair, you could almost hear it. I don't think my problem was the length of my kilt, actually, it was a failure to plan for ahead.

I've worn short kilts before, usually with a thong or briefs ... I even decide 'regimental or not' based on whether the kilt I have on is long enough to give me something to sit on.

I will say this, if you are hanging over the hem when you sit then you are likely hanging below the hem when you go up stairs, bend over, get in and out of your car, etc...

Just do what I USUALLY do, place a napkin on your seat ... nobody will notice and your legs and willy will thank you for it.

Kilt On!

Chris Webb

**mudd** · 29th April 06, 10:36 AM

Generally speaking, for hygienic reasons (both your and others), if it your private parts are coming in contact with the furniture at public location, you should probably not be going regimental or, at least should carry a towel to sit on.

Just my two bits.

**Frank McGrath** · 29th April 06, 11:10 AM

I know that going regimental is popular with some, but, I just cant see the purpose. I like to know what is where and when. So, I bought special Kiltie undees, as the wife calls them. More power to those who can and do, butt, (ha ha ) its not for me. This is where my favorite Latin saying comes.

Semper Ubi Sub Ubi

Franks got it covered
(chicken *&%#)

**Rex_Tremende** · 29th April 06, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Frank McGrath

So, I bought special Kiltie undees, as the wife calls them.

OK, I'll bite: what makes them special??

**pbpersson** · 28th June 06, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by arrogcow

Only cause guys don't want to admit that they need to uy the "Beer Gut Cut".

Adam

I ordered the long length so I can wear the waist at navel height instead of having it hang on my hip bones where my pants have been for 50 years. I figure my hip bones need some time off.

I wouldn't get the "beer gut cut" for the same reason I refuse to buy a pair of pants with a 40-inch waist. This large tummy of mine is only temporary and as soon as I start exercising it will be gone.....someday.....when I get a round tuit.

**The Wizard of BC** · 29th June 06, 01:31 AM

Rex,

I have found that most times when a guys privates come in contact with a chair, he needs to get a kilt the is worn at mid or high rise. It fact, I much prefer my own kilts there.

This is also why I developed the slope measurement for my kilts. By making the back of the kilt longer and the front shorter you get a kilt with a perfectly level hem when standing and almost never run out of hem when sitting. It also eliminates the pucker of the front apron that is so unsightly.

There have been three times when a customer has noticed a short back hem when sitting. On all three occasions the customer had large thighs. This caused the kilt to pull forward when he sat and ride up in back. The problem was solved each time by remaking the kilt with a mid rise and increasing the slope.

To me a "Beer Gut Cut" does the same thing, I just don't believe in charging extra to make a kilt fit properly. So I include a slope measurement on EVERY kilt I make.

**arrogcow** · 29th June 06, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by pbpersson

I wouldn't get the "beer gut cut" for the same reason I refuse to buy a pair of pants with a 40-inch waist. This large tummy of mine is only temporary and as soon as I start exercising it will be gone.....someday.....when I get a round tuit.

Exactly my point.

And I tent to wear my UK's higher than UK reccomends as well (not as high as a tank, but not hanging off my hips either).

Adam