I LOVE 'Em!! J'Dez Underkilts

[bangkok kilt]

After re-reading this thread by Ron I actually modded my own undergarmet from some old boxers. Gap boxers don't really have separate 'legs' in the back so it was easy to cut the seam and remove a little from the front and back and voila, it was a great kilt undergarmet! Not going to keep me any warmer, but it will definately help keep the kilt cleaner. Wishing I hadn't thrown out the old boxers where the crotch had 'blown' out!

[Riverkilt]

I still have my three black ones and wear them frequently - mostly to protect my fine hand sewns from me.

Thought I'd seen threads where JDez was having problems...folks were sending in their money and not getting the underkilts or responses to their emails or calls....? Any recent updates on that?

Only quality problem I've had is that the hemming thread came loose very easily but I just cut it off as it unravels and there seems to be no effect on the product.

Ron

[Pour1Malt]

I still have my three black ones and wear them frequently - mostly to protect my fine hand sewns from me.

Thought I'd seen threads where JDez was having problems...folks were sending in their money and not getting the underkilts or responses to their emails or calls....? Any recent updates on that?

Only quality problem I've had is that the hemming thread came loose very easily but I just cut it off as it unravels and there seems to be no effect on the product.

Ron

ai emailed them a coople day ago... nay word yet....

ai'll keep ya oopdated....

[Eric T]

Imagine a world where women had always worn pants and men always MUGs of some sort, and as things evolved we found a need and desire to protect our selves from our mugs and vice versa, then you can see that an underkilt is a logical development and a good idea. Pants worn without underwear do not stay clean, and neither does a kilt, and if you've had white briefs you know stains do accumulate if not bleached. Who would want that on a kilt you can't bleach, even if you can't see the stain? Ick.

Briefs aren't panties, kilts aren't ladies skirts, shirts aren't blouses, and underkilts aren't slips. (By the way, a slip is a satiny underskirt meant to keep a skirt or dress from clinging up and looking odd, not really for cleanliness, but may decrease transparency in a ladies dress). I don't consider an underkilt to be a ladies garment any more than a pair of briefs. Its not "toms-ish" to me, just sensible innovation.

Just as a kilt is distinctive in its structure, one could define an underkilt as distinctive if designed to best suit its purpose. As I look at my future of kilt wearing cleanliness, comfort and modesty have been considerations. One idea that occurred to me was to pin or velcro a flap to the inside front of the kilt, sized to separate my pub*c area from my kilt, and long enough to extend about 2 inches below elvis' usual reach. In my experiments this flap fell nicely down over elvis and his friends when I sat down, and would offer him the privacy a man of his great stature deserves in case a kilt apron did not arrived at its proper position in time, or in case of habitual knee crossing and such.

One thing if found was that the back flap/part had to be longer than the front by about 2 to 4 inches (on me) to provide coverage of those parts when seated, as the back of the underkilting rides up more when you bend at the waist. Examining the effect while wearing a pair of boxers demonstrated that the crotch connection effectively pulled the back forward to keep it under my sunless parts.

Reading about the above ideas, it seems a kind of easily removable garment could be made from a trunkated t-shirt. I would cut it off at the arm pits and tie it around my waist with a cord or twill tape, then fiddle with it to get the right length in front and back, then pin it. To create the privacy flap, one could make cuts down the front of the thighs and serge the edges to retard curling. Then untie the tape and determine how to stitch it relative to the ends. It would be good to make it a wraparound, as suggested, with an overlap of the twill tape fastening with velcro that would keep it adjustable. This sort of non-elastic waist band would not be expandable, but the kilt isn't either.

A more primative idea of this would be to use the cut off tshirt as a sort of old fashioned philabeg (sp) and just tie it on, with the top edge folded down over the cord or tape. This wouldn't have the elvis flap functionality, but would be an okay solution in a pinch. and wouldn't ride up when legs are spread if the tshirt was large enough to start with.

And I think a color that resembles the kilt itself or darker is a good idea so as to be less obvious.

Encyclopedia entry complete......

[Archangel]

...which pretty much takes you full circle back to what was traditionally worn under a kilt when no-one wore undies anyway.

Look for tall or long shirts.

[Pleater]

Having found that my kilts were too light for a particular windy crossroads which lies between our house and the bank, I blushingly decided to make petticoats, and then subsequently modified the idea to be a kilt liner which is kilt shaped, though not pleated.

I did think of actually attaching the liner to the kilt permanently, for the light and washable sort, but it never actually happened, possibly as it was an after thought without somewhere to sew the liner into.

What I did was to take a piece of cloth long enough to wrap around my hips and cross over at the front, and insert darts to shape it into the waist at the back and sides.

I did not want to make a tubular garment, as I often wear tunics and other longish things under my kilt. I wanted a kilt shaped liner, not an extra, separate garment, and this shaped strip seemed to be right.

I then attached it to the waist of the kilt by various means, small hooks and eyes seem to be the best idea, with the hooks on the liner and the eye on the kilt - or a bar of matching thread could be substituted so that it was almost invisible. The liner then is almost part of the kilt, but another can substituted in moments. If made from a toning colour of fabric you could remove the kilt in company and it not be noticed. It also makes dressing the same 'wrap and buckle' movement as ever it was. I tend to make the pleated part of the kilt extended several inches more than half my circumference so that the large pleats open and allow the aprons to drop vertically when I sit. If I make them with less pleated width the large pleats tend to allow the pleats to fall back and down on the outside of the thighs rather than the aprons to drop between the knees.

I find that the liner aprons easily slide apart and allow the kilt to fall, but do not open so high up that they would allow the kilt fabric to touch skin.

Perhaps this option might seem less like a slip and more apt for wearing with a kilt? It would mean making maybe seven or eight attachment points - but that surely is not beyond the wit of man?

[Pour1Malt]

still nay word yet.... mebee they's oot a business...