I LOVE 'Em!! J'Dez Underkilts

[Pour1Malt]

I still have my three black ones and wear them frequently - mostly to protect my fine hand sewns from me.

Thought I'd seen threads where JDez was having problems...folks were sending in their money and not getting the underkilts or responses to their emails or calls....? Any recent updates on that?

Only quality problem I've had is that the hemming thread came loose very easily but I just cut it off as it unravels and there seems to be no effect on the product.

Ron

ai emailed them a coople day ago... nay word yet....

ai'll keep ya oopdated....

[Eric T]

Imagine a world where women had always worn pants and men always MUGs of some sort, and as things evolved we found a need and desire to protect our selves from our mugs and vice versa, then you can see that an underkilt is a logical development and a good idea. Pants worn without underwear do not stay clean, and neither does a kilt, and if you've had white briefs you know stains do accumulate if not bleached. Who would want that on a kilt you can't bleach, even if you can't see the stain? Ick.

Briefs aren't panties, kilts aren't ladies skirts, shirts aren't blouses, and underkilts aren't slips. (By the way, a slip is a satiny underskirt meant to keep a skirt or dress from clinging up and looking odd, not really for cleanliness, but may decrease transparency in a ladies dress). I don't consider an underkilt to be a ladies garment any more than a pair of briefs. Its not "toms-ish" to me, just sensible innovation.

Just as a kilt is distinctive in its structure, one could define an underkilt as distinctive if designed to best suit its purpose. As I look at my future of kilt wearing cleanliness, comfort and modesty have been considerations. One idea that occurred to me was to pin or velcro a flap to the inside front of the kilt, sized to separate my pub*c area from my kilt, and long enough to extend about 2 inches below elvis' usual reach. In my experiments this flap fell nicely down over elvis and his friends when I sat down, and would offer him the privacy a man of his great stature deserves in case a kilt apron did not arrived at its proper position in time, or in case of habitual knee crossing and such.

One thing if found was that the back flap/part had to be longer than the front by about 2 to 4 inches (on me) to provide coverage of those parts when seated, as the back of the underkilting rides up more when you bend at the waist. Examining the effect while wearing a pair of boxers demonstrated that the crotch connection effectively pulled the back forward to keep it under my sunless parts.

Reading about the above ideas, it seems a kind of easily removable garment could be made from a trunkated t-shirt. I would cut it off at the arm pits and tie it around my waist with a cord or twill tape, then fiddle with it to get the right length in front and back, then pin it. To create the privacy flap, one could make cuts down the front of the thighs and serge the edges to retard curling. Then untie the tape and determine how to stitch it relative to the ends. It would be good to make it a wraparound, as suggested, with an overlap of the twill tape fastening with velcro that would keep it adjustable. This sort of non-elastic waist band would not be expandable, but the kilt isn't either.

A more primative idea of this would be to use the cut off tshirt as a sort of old fashioned philabeg (sp) and just tie it on, with the top edge folded down over the cord or tape. This wouldn't have the elvis flap functionality, but would be an okay solution in a pinch. and wouldn't ride up when legs are spread if the tshirt was large enough to start with.

And I think a color that resembles the kilt itself or darker is a good idea so as to be less obvious.

Encyclopedia entry complete......

[Archangel]

...which pretty much takes you full circle back to what was traditionally worn under a kilt when no-one wore undies anyway.

Look for tall or long shirts.

[Pleater]

Having found that my kilts were too light for a particular windy crossroads which lies between our house and the bank, I blushingly decided to make petticoats, and then subsequently modified the idea to be a kilt liner which is kilt shaped, though not pleated.

I did think of actually attaching the liner to the kilt permanently, for the light and washable sort, but it never actually happened, possibly as it was an after thought without somewhere to sew the liner into.

What I did was to take a piece of cloth long enough to wrap around my hips and cross over at the front, and insert darts to shape it into the waist at the back and sides.

I did not want to make a tubular garment, as I often wear tunics and other longish things under my kilt. I wanted a kilt shaped liner, not an extra, separate garment, and this shaped strip seemed to be right.

I then attached it to the waist of the kilt by various means, small hooks and eyes seem to be the best idea, with the hooks on the liner and the eye on the kilt - or a bar of matching thread could be substituted so that it was almost invisible. The liner then is almost part of the kilt, but another can substituted in moments. If made from a toning colour of fabric you could remove the kilt in company and it not be noticed. It also makes dressing the same 'wrap and buckle' movement as ever it was. I tend to make the pleated part of the kilt extended several inches more than half my circumference so that the large pleats open and allow the aprons to drop vertically when I sit. If I make them with less pleated width the large pleats tend to allow the pleats to fall back and down on the outside of the thighs rather than the aprons to drop between the knees.

I find that the liner aprons easily slide apart and allow the kilt to fall, but do not open so high up that they would allow the kilt fabric to touch skin.

Perhaps this option might seem less like a slip and more apt for wearing with a kilt? It would mean making maybe seven or eight attachment points - but that surely is not beyond the wit of man?

[Pour1Malt]

still nay word yet.... mebee they's oot a business...

[cessna152towser]

I also e-mailed an order to them some months ago and never got any reply. I decided just to make one myself - by cutting off the bottom part of an old white cotton T-shirt below the armpits and sewing it onto an old Jockey Y-fronts waistband. But I've never chosen to wear it yet - IMHO somehow the idea of flashing acres of white slip when you birl round or the wind catches your kilt would detract from the mystique of keeping people speculating how high the kilt will blow and what's under. I tend to favour dark coloured briefs as an ultimate line of modesty. However from what I've read on this and other forums it seems that many men do wear underkilts/slips nowadays with their kilts so perhaps I ought to give it a try.

[Jewddha]

I don't know anything definitively, but as no one is speaking up, I recall hearing a few months back that J'Dez had in fact gone out of business. This could be heresy, or I may have simply gotten it wrong, so feel free to correct me.

[cavscout]

I browsed thru the rest of his web site when I saw this thread resurect and noticed that he has renamed his products so that they are not specifically refered to as "Kilt" but as "Short/Kilt".

Looks like the discussion earlier prompted an adjustment in verbage. I'd say that's a positive result. That's all I'll say so as not to relite the the debate.

[turpin]

OK, i'm new to the kilt, but reading these kilt protector threads, it makes a lot of sense to me. some say they wear boxers, some modify a t-shirt and attach it somehow. it seems to me a simple approach is to buy a voluminous pair of boxers (i'm thinking the kind with the flat waistband, and made of the stretchy, t-shirt-like material material (i have some by Perry Ellis i got a a discount store. you can just cut the crotch seem and voila! instant kilt protector/helmet guard, with freedom to move, visit the necessary w/o removing them, etc. those who are so inclined could re-hem them to reduce unraveling.

this is just an untested idea at this point, but the only problem i can see might be that the undergarment might ride up from rubbing on the kilt. once i try it i'll report back if there is any interest.

[O'Neille]

I'm going to make some dark green ones for myself and see how they work out. We've got a serger machine in the house that I use to taper my t-shirts so they fit better. I just need to whip out a couple of these from bargain dark green tshirts and two of my least favorite pairs of skivvies. I'll report back with the results. O'Neille