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20th August 06, 12:12 PM
#1
Recapping what we've covered so far...
Let me see if I've got this straight.
- As far as family/clan tartans go, I have a connection to Woods and Cooper.
- I may have a connection to some Irish tartans, but I don't quite understand how those work. Is it by family or geography?
- I may be eligible to wear some district tartans but how do I figure the connection to those?
- I could wear the US tartan or the California tartan because I'm a citizen of both.
- If I had lived in a state with an official tartan I could wear that tartan.
- If I were a member of an organization with an official tartan I could wear that.
- If I want to honor my branch of the service, I could wear the USAF/USAFR tartan or the "Mitchell" tartan.
- If I wanted to honor my late father's service in WWII, I could wear the US Navy tartan.
- If I wanted to honor my nephew's Army service (and the fact that the USAF started out as a branch of the army) I could wear the US Army tartan.
- If I wanted to honor my sister's service in the Coast Guard (yeah, my sister was a coastie
) I could wear the Coast guard tartan.
So... Have I gotten it right thus far or do I need further instruction (apart from the questions posed above)?
--SSgt Baloo
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20th August 06, 12:25 PM
#2
 Originally Posted by SSgt Baloo
Let me see if I've got this straight.
- As far as family/clan tartans go, I have a connection to Woods and Cooper.
- I may have a connection to some Irish tartans, but I don't quite understand how those work. Is it by family or geography?
- I may be eligible to wear some district tartans but how do I figure the connection to those?
- I could wear the US tartan or the California tartan because I'm a citizen of both.
- If I had lived in a state with an official tartan I could wear that tartan.
- If I were a member of an organization with an official tartan I could wear that.
- If I want to honor my branch of the service, I could wear the USAF/USAFR tartan or the "Mitchell" tartan.
- If I wanted to honor my late father's service in WWII, I could wear the US Navy tartan.
- If I wanted to honor my nephew's Army service (and the fact that the USAF started out as a branch of the army) I could wear the US Army tartan.
- If I wanted to honor my sister's service in the Coast Guard (yeah, my sister was a coastie
) I could wear the Coast guard tartan.
So... Have I gotten it right thus far or do I need further instruction (apart from the questions posed above)?
--SSgt Baloo
I'll bet you're glad you asked now.
You could wear the Irish ones as the names that you suggested come originally from that part of Ireland (Irish County).
The Scottish District ones are the same, the district the name came from.
I will let the other posters answer in relation to theirs.
Tartan in my opinion about what you want to wear for whatever reason. We do supply Strathmore tartans.
Good luck.
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20th August 06, 03:21 PM
#3
 Originally Posted by SSgt Baloo
Let me see if I've got this straight.
- As far as family/clan tartans go, I have a connection to Woods and Cooper.
- I may have a connection to some Irish tartans, but I don't quite understand how those work. Is it by family or geography?
- I may be eligible to wear some district tartans but how do I figure the connection to those?
- I could wear the US tartan or the California tartan because I'm a citizen of both.
- If I had lived in a state with an official tartan I could wear that tartan.
- If I were a member of an organization with an official tartan I could wear that.
- If I want to honor my branch of the service, I could wear the USAF/USAFR tartan or the "Mitchell" tartan.
- If I wanted to honor my late father's service in WWII, I could wear the US Navy tartan.
- If I wanted to honor my nephew's Army service (and the fact that the USAF started out as a branch of the army) I could wear the US Army tartan.
- If I wanted to honor my sister's service in the Coast Guard (yeah, my sister was a coastie
) I could wear the Coast guard tartan.
So... Have I gotten it right thus far or do I need further instruction (apart from the questions posed above)?
--SSgt Baloo
Genealogy is one way to determine which Scottish district tartans might be appropriate for you to wear; if you can trace your lineage to a particular town, district, etc. then you could wear that tartan. For example, if your great-great grandfather was from Fife, then the Fife District tartan would be in order. The same could be said for the Irish county tartans.
I personally like to see folks wearing district tartans.
Check out www.district-tartans.com
Cheers, 
Todd
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20th August 06, 03:40 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by Tattoobradley
it has been widely accepted by US servicemen and their families with Air Force connections as a representative design.
The red text being the key to my identification with it. Everything I myself have seen says it is not official. Yes, they are wearing it in an "official" fashion. But, the USAF/R hasn't taken it as official. I have found the tartan on more than a few sites and many associate it with the USAF. This leads back to my initial point. There is no actual United States Air Force tartan. So, this is the closest and most indentifiable tartan.
Last edited by Tattoo Bradley; 20th August 06 at 03:42 PM.
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20th August 06, 03:51 PM
#5
 Originally Posted by Tattoobradley
The red text being the key to my identification with it. Everything I myself have seen says it is not official. Yes, they are wearing it in an "official" fashion. But, the USAF/R hasn't taken it as official. I have found the tartan on more than a few sites and many associate it with the USAF. This leads back to my initial point. There is no actual United States Air Force tartan. So, this is the closest and most indentifiable tartan.
Not to belabor the subject, but since they (the band) are wearing the tartan with official US Air Force uniforms, under USAF dress regulations, then there has to be some sort of approval somewhere up the chain-of-command, would there not? I can't imagine this not having some sort of approval.
But, hopefully the band member will reply to my query soon with some sort of definitive answer.
T.
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20th August 06, 08:59 PM
#6
Just because that's what they've decided to wear, doesn't mean the USAF or USAFR has officially adopted the tartan. I suppose they could turn around tomorrow and take a fancy to another unclaimed tartan and agree to dress the band in it with this line of thought. Whereas something fully official would be much more "concrete?" This is all speculation of course. I'm not claiming to have the definitive answer here. I'm just working with what I've seen, not trying to stretch it into something it's not. Who is this member you're waiting for a "definitive answer" from? Is this member in a position to give a definitive answer on behalf of the USAFR?
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21st August 06, 03:20 AM
#7
 Originally Posted by Tattoobradley
Just because that's what they've decided to wear, doesn't mean the USAF or USAFR has officially adopted the tartan. I suppose they could turn around tomorrow and take a fancy to another unclaimed tartan and agree to dress the band in it with this line of thought. Whereas something fully official would be much more "concrete?" This is all speculation of course. I'm not claiming to have the definitive answer here. I'm just working with what I've seen, not trying to stretch it into something it's not. Who is this member you're waiting for a "definitive answer" from? Is this member in a position to give a definitive answer on behalf of the USAFR?
The PAO I spoke to via e-mail said they were passing my query along to the "leader of the band". That's all I know, but I would imagine they would know the status of the tartan.
And btw, I'm not trying to "stretch it into something its not", Just asking questions -- that's what a good researcher does. It stands to reason that someone has given some sort of permission, but who knows? That's why I contacted the Band directly to find out. I have never said I have the "definitive answer". I've probably seen many of the same things you've seen in terms of sources, and to me, the facts don't add up -- hence why I am researching in attempt to get the most accurate story as possible.
T.
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21st August 06, 08:55 AM
#8
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
The PAO I spoke to via e-mail said they were passing my query along to the "leader of the band". That's all I know, but I would imagine they would know the status of the tartan.
And btw, I'm not trying to "stretch it into something its not", Just asking questions -- that's what a good researcher does. It stands to reason that someone has given some sort of permission, but who knows? That's why I contacted the Band directly to find out. I have never said I have the "definitive answer". I've probably seen many of the same things you've seen in terms of sources, and to me, the facts don't add up -- hence why I am researching in attempt to get the most accurate story as possible.
T.
I never said you were trying to stretch anything. I simply stated that I was not doing so. I also never said you were implying a definitive answer. Again, I was simply stating that I myself was not doing such.
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