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I seem to remember the opening of the Scottish Parliament the TV commentator said Charles' official title in Scotland was Duke of Rothesay as PoW was an english title, was that wrong?

The title Prince of Wales predates the union of the crowns and also the Act of Union. Before these events its clearly had no standing in Scotland and could have well been thought of as an "English" title as it was given to the eldest son of the King (or Queen but never happened as Tudor queens never had children) of England. Since the union of the crowns, however, the highest title in terms of rank has priority even in Scotland although there is nothing to prevent Charles choosing to use a lower rank title in Scotland if he so wishes. Camilla is de facto Princess of Wales but she chooses not to use the title. I haven't heard that she uses Duchess of Rothesay in Scotland rather than Duchess of Cornwall though.

There are other problems too - the Queen is Elizabeth II in Scotland although there never was a Scottish Elizabeth I.

Wikipedia covers this by saying:

"However, in Scotland, the title Elizabeth II caused some controversy, as there has never been an Elizabeth I in Scotland. In a rare act of sabotage, new Royal Mail post boxes in bearing the initials "E II R" in Scotland were vandalised. (Prior to Queen Elizabeth, Scottish boxes had borne the monarch's initials, but no crown.) To avoid further problems, post boxes and Royal Mail vehicles in Scotland now bear only the Crown of Scotland and no Royal cypher.

A legal case, MacCormick v. Lord Advocate (1953 SC 396), was taken to contest the right of the Queen to style herself Elizabeth II within Scotland, arguing that to do so would be a breach of the Act of Union. The case was lost on the grounds that the pursuers had no title to sue the Crown, and also that the numbering of monarchs was part of the royal prerogative, and not governed by the Act of Union.

There are also two other matters of controversy, publicised much less. First, the argument that the monarch was addressed as Your Grace, rather than Majesty, in pre-Union Scotland, and, second, that the preferred title had been King/Queen of Scots rather than of Scotland (although the latter was by no means unknown).

At the royal opening of the Scottish Parliament in 1999, the presiding officer David Steel referred to her as, "not only the Queen of the United Kingdom but seated as you are among us in the historic and constitutionally correct manner as Queen of Scots".

Future British monarchs will be numbered according to either English or Scottish predecessors, whichever number is higher. Applying this policy retroactively to monarchs since the Act of Union yields the same numbering."

A fascinating table of how it will all work in future can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...itish_monarchs

You forgot one: Royal Colonel (in-chief) of the Black Watch (now 3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland.

Cheers,

Todd

Well that's not an official title, that is do with one of his very many honorary positions.