To the Kilted Clergy of the group

[McClef]

and the following Sunday, Nov 25 - I will be conducting St Andrew's Day Morning Prayer services, using Laud's Book, 1637 Scottish Book of Common Prayer, at our church.

Ah the book that started the riots in St Giles, Edinburgh!

Make sure that everything is locked down!

Seriously though that riot was far from spontaneous so you should be safe!

[keepoffgrass]

Not being ordained, I don't have a lot to say - but wear your best kilt and good luck. Also if you don't mind-what denomination? I am Anglican Catholic myself and a layreader. Also Sr. Warden. This coming Sunday I have been requested to speak at the Episcopal Church up the road - they are doing Kirking of the Tartans, and the following Sunday, Nov 25 - I will be conducting St Andrew's Day Morning Prayer services, using Laud's Book, 1637 Scottish Book of Common Prayer, at our church.

I'm a ordained through Universal Life Church.


also, I think you guys are right about the red being to flashy. I'm going to go with a black shirt no matter the tartan I wear.

[Prester John]

Regarding the original question - performing any liturgical act requires the standard liturgical garments:

for an Orthodox priest (which I am) cassock, Rhiasa (with the big sleeves) in black, with pectoral cross,

and the appropriate vestment for the service, and, its not optional.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Those would be liturgical colors of the church year...sarum blue for Advent, purple for Lent, Green for Ordinary time, etc.

Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians & other Reformed denominations and of course Roman Catholic clergy use vestments that coordinate with the seasons of the church year.

T.

Blue for Advent is a modern innovation that may have started with Protestant groups, I don't know. But purple is the traditional color for Advent and Lent, as both are penitential seasons (and is also traditional for funerals). White for the Christmas and Easter Seasons, as well as Feast of Our Lord, The Blessed Virgin Mary, the Angels, Saints who were not matryrs, and All Saints. Red for Pentecost, Palm Sunday, Good Friday, feasts of the Apostels and Martyr's feasts. Rose for Laetare and Gaudete Sundays. Green for Ordinary Time. And black is also a possible liturgical color for All Souls and Funerals (though white is a more common choice for those occasions these days).

Regardless, for Catholics, Orthodox, and some of the more liturgically minded Protestant groups, your vestments for the liturgy are prescribed, so this discussion is pretty much a moot point. I doubt the Universal Life Church has a dress code, so wear what you think the most appropriate.

[macwilkin]

Blue for Advent is a modern innovation that may have started with Protestant groups, I don't know. But purple is the traditional color for Advent and Lent, as both are penitential seasons. White for the Christmas and Easter Seasons, as well as Holy Days. Red for Pentecost and Martyr's feasts. Rose for Laetare and Gaudete Sundays. Green for Ordinary Time. And black is also a possible liturgical color for All Souls and Funerals (though white is a more common choice for those occasions these days).

Regardless, for Catholics, Orthodox, and some of the more liturgically minded Protestant groups, your vestments for the liturgy are prescribed, so this discussion is pretty much a moot point. I doubt the Universal Life Church has a dress code, so wear what you think the most appropriate.

I'll try not to stray too OT, but "Advent Blue" is mainly found in Episcopal/Anglican Churches...the full name is "Sarum Blue", in reference to Sarum/Salisbury. According to our old rector, it's actually has roots in the Middle Ages, but I don't have any specifics in terms of origin/background.

Back to the clergy tartan now...

T.

[Cawdorian]

Purple is traditional for Advent and Lent in the Presbyterian Church.

The tartan choice in the Presbyterian Church is up to the clergyman, our former pastor wore his family tartan to preside over the Kirkin' Service. This Sunday our present pastor will wear the Clergy tartan to preside over this year's Kirkin' service. One of the asscociate pastors will wear a stole with her family tartan.

The choice of tartan appears to be a matter of personal choice for the clergyman.

[Galician]

I'm a ordained through Universal Life Church. also, I think you guys are right about the red being to flashy. I'm going to go with a black shirt no matter the tartan I wear.

Actually, there is a whole range of clergy shirts available: white, blue and grey. You could always choose one of these which best goes with your kilt.

What do you plan to wear for your own wedding?

Another aside, in the Roman tradition the purple used for Lent is often a deeper shade (called Roman Purple) than that used for Advent.

[Ian.MacAllan]

Isn't the Father of the bride supposed to spring for all the wedding expenses? , , ,

For all I know that may be the custom in some communities but the custom with which I am familiar specifies that the groom's expenses, including the rehearsal dinner, the groomsmen's expenses, a gift for the bride, and of course the honeymoon, are all the groom's responsibility.

Of course, grace sometimes requires this custom to yield to the reality of a particular situation. I once attended a wedding in which the bride's family was financially strapped just in getting themselves to the wedding, so the bridal couple assumed all responsibility for the expenses. The groom's father refused any responsibility in the matter, but I think he must have given them a very generous wedding present because they paid off their debt in barely more than a year.


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[keepoffgrass]

Actually, there is a whole range of clergy shirts available: white, blue and grey. You could always choose one of these which best goes with your kilt.

What do you plan to wear for your own wedding?

Another aside, in the Roman tradition the purple used for Lent is often a deeper shade (called Roman Purple) than that used for Advent.

Im wearing my clan tank and a pc to my own wedding

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Another aside, in the Roman tradition the purple used for Lent is often a deeper shade (called Roman Purple) than that used for Advent.

Not in my experience. Every Roman Catholic clergyman I've ever met wore the same exact vestments for Advent and Lent. Those things are expensive, after all!

Seriously, I've never heard of different shades of purple being used for these two liturgical season. The same color is prescribed for Advent and Lent in the current liturgical rubrics, and I don't see any evidence for this being a change from past practice.

M