Fly Plaid Question!!!????

[Jock Scot]

Oh Trefor, come on!I do not intend to get into a pantomime-esque type of conversation over dress codes that have evolved over the years,many many years probably.You,me and others will wear what we are happy to wear and you know as well as me that there are conventions regarding dress.That is a fact.Old fashioned,out of date, constricting some may consider them to be,nevertheless they exist.We will all wear what we will wear and I am just trying to pass on 60 something years of experiance.That is all,please take it for what it is worth.Maybe to you,nothing and that is fine by me.

I do,however agree with you that a Dinner suit(tux)is boring and the kilt does add an extra something to an occasion,particularly if the accessories are appropriate!

All the best,
Jock.

[gilmore]

Ahem...Deere, not Deer.

My grandfather was a John Deere dealer in Iowa for many years.

T.

I think I have found your clan tartan.

http://cgi.ebay.com/John-Deere-Tract...QQcmdZViewItem

[Jock Scot]

John Deere tractors are very popular over here.Very good bits of kit, I have several.

[Chef]

I think I have found your clan tartan.

http://cgi.ebay.com/John-Deere-Tract...QQcmdZViewItem

I can't wait to see a kilt made out of that!

[thescot]

I can't wait to see a kilt made out of that!

I believe I can. The thing is, someone would actually have a kilt made from it.

[McClef]

Oh Trefor, come on!I do not intend to get into a pantomime-esque type of conversation over dress codes that have evolved over the years,many many years probably.You,me and others will wear what we are happy to wear and you know as well as me that there are conventions regarding dress.That is a fact.Old fashioned,out of date, constricting some may consider them to be,nevertheless they exist.We will all wear what we will wear and I am just trying to pass on 60 something years of experiance.That is all,please take it for what it is worth.Maybe to you,nothing and that is fine by me.

I do,however agree with you that a Dinner suit(tux)is boring and the kilt does add an extra something to an occasion,particularly if the accessories are appropriate!

All the best,
Jock.

Thanks for the clarification Jock. Experience is valuable, as Chaucer's Wife of Bath says, and one deserving of an audience and of respect. My question was based upon whether or not there was some published authority on the subject regarding degrees of formality in Highland Dress but all I can find is a variation of opinion. I know some people hate Wikipedia for example which lists a PC as an acceptable white tie event Highland dress equivalent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_tie) along with the Montrose, the Sheriffmuir and the Kenmore. Guess you pays your money and you takes your choice.

It's a bit like working out the equivalency of ranks in different armed forces, (indeed perhaps that's easier to do!) and perhaps there has been in a reduction in the number of possible very formal occasions over time and the expectations of what is correct by those who organise them.

I would love to add a Montrose to my collection at some point by the way.

Best wishes to you also.

Trefor

[Jock Scot]

Hello Trefor,

I have been thinking about dress codes,conventions,rules etc. and have been wondering where they all came from.From a very young age I have lived with these conventions that were fairly strictly enforced.I can't help having a brace of Generals as grand parents and an Admiral as a father!Ho hum.

In an "earlier life"of mine,my poor "batman" was in despair most of the time trying to get me properly turned out,but at least we had Queens Regulations and Regimental dress codes to fall back on!Anyway I know that there are one or two books on "good form" lurking in the house and I will blow the dust off them and see what I can come up with.Watch this space.

Yours aye,
Jock.

[McClef]

Hi Jock that would be very useful!

All conventions have a history of starting somewhere and also modifications and alterations occur from time to time - I found some interesting examples when I was surfing upon the topic of formal dress in its different manifestations.

Your military/naval lineage and background sounds a fascinating one. As you say, in those circumstances you had military regulations and dress codes to fall back on whereas I suspect civilian conventions do not have such a "bible" though there should be resources that people have written as "good form" at various points.

I look forward to the results of your research.

Trefor

[kilted123]

I just got back from The Gathering in Edinburgh and chatted with several members of my Graham clan... Cameron Graham was wearing a fly plaid with his kilt jacket and it looked great! I had heard that it was not considered correct to wear it with the kilt jacket but he said he does it all the time. Since getting back, I've twice worn my fly plaid with the kilt jacket and it's received rave reviews... so I think it's fine! A small clan badge in sterling silver is a nice touch to hold the fly plaid to the jacket.

[Urchurdan]

This is a pic of me during the Clan Parade at the gathering, I have my (large) fly plaid folded and draped over my shoulder like a blanket, no pins - it sits well with its own weight if folded well.