I just remembered that if you access the kiltstore.net site through this one by clicking on their ad in the upper right corner of nearly every page you get a pretty decent discount that gets the 5yd 16oz glena kilt down to a little over 300 clams, and in the Lochcarron 16 oz tartan an 8yd for $580 or 5yd for $411 by Balmoral, or the House of Edgar 13oz tartan as an 8yd for $535 or a 5yd for $380, give or take. They give you a nice discount if you access them through the XTMS website ad.