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29th February 08, 09:46 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I totally agree that the skilled kilt makers that you have mentioned above and without doubt there are many others too, dotted around the world are caught in the crossfire here.I am sure it is not beyond the "wit of man" to come up with a solution to recognise their undoubted skills.As to the the Gold Brothers and their ilk,I make no comment.
aye Jock....
Bourbon is a fine drink... but ya wuid ne'er ca' it Scotch!
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29th February 08, 09:58 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by Pour1Malt
aye Jock....
Bourbon is a fine drink... but ya wuid ne'er ca' it Scotch!
Robertson,
I do hope you're not insinuating that because a Newsome, Lare, etc. kilt is not made in Scotland, it is somehow inferior to one made there. These individuals I mentioned in an earlier post take great pride in the craft, and in the case of Matt, is a font of knowledge in terms of Highland dress.
I do hope this is not your insinuation.
T.
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29th February 08, 10:46 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Robertson,
I do hope you're not insinuating that because a Newsome, Lare, etc. kilt is not made in Scotland, it is somehow inferior to one made there. These individuals I mentioned in an earlier post take great pride in the craft, and in the case of Matt, is a font of knowledge in terms of Highland dress.
I do hope this is not your insinuation.
T.
sorry Caj... ai dinnae insinuate....
ai say whit ai mean....
Newsome an' Lare mak fine kilts... (frae whit ai am told- ai dinnae own their kilts)
but they dinnae mak Scottish kilts...
if ai reverse whit ai said will it mak it clearer?
Scotch is a fine drink.... but ya wuid nae ca' it Bourbon.....
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29th February 08, 11:38 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by Pour1Malt
sorry Caj... ai dinnae insinuate....
ai say whit ai mean....
Newsome an' Lare mak fine kilts... (frae whit ai am told- ai dinnae own their kilts)
but they dinnae mak Scottish kilts...
if ai reverse whit ai said will it mak it clearer?
Scotch is a fine drink.... but ya wuid nae ca' it Bourbon..... 
Crystal, Robertson. 
Matt, Kathy, Barb, et al. never claim to make "Scottish" kilts, but I am afraid that too draconian of a measure here would unfairly lump them in with the people this effort is designed to fight.
People on this forum are always saying you don't have to be Scottish to wear a kilt; given the handiwork of our American and Canadian kiltmakers, I don't think you have to be Scottish to make a guid yin either.
T.
Last edited by macwilkin; 29th February 08 at 11:44 AM.
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3rd March 08, 10:48 AM
#5
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Crystal, Robertson.
Matt, Kathy, Barb, et al. never claim to make "Scottish" kilts, but I am afraid that too draconian of a measure here would unfairly lump them in with the people this effort is designed to fight.
People on this forum are always saying you don't have to be Scottish to wear a kilt; given the handiwork of our American and Canadian kiltmakers, I don't think you have to be Scottish to make a guid yin either. T.
I don't think that this is in any way aimed at the outstanding kilt makers on this forum. It is aimed, instead, at cheesy merchants in Scotland who try to pass off inexpensive, machine made kilts of man-made fibers as Scottish kilts. Matt, Kathy, Barb et al. don't sell kilts in Scotland, but I do think any Scot upon seeing one of their 'tanks' would recognize it as a kilt of good quality.
Animo non astutia
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3rd March 08, 11:06 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by McFarkus
I don't think that this is in any way aimed at the outstanding kilt makers on this forum. It is aimed, instead, at cheesy merchants in Scotland who try to pass off inexpensive, machine made kilts of man-made fibers as Scottish kilts. Matt, Kathy, Barb et al. don't sell kilts in Scotland, but I do think any Scot upon seeing one of their 'tanks' would recognize it as a kilt of good quality.
I am aware of the intended purpose (as I have stated in several of my posts) but thank you for pointing out again. 
My concern is, that while good-intentioned, such actions might accidently include reputable overseas firms and kiltmakers, unless a better solution, such as Rathdown's suggestion, is considered.
T.
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3rd March 08, 11:55 AM
#7
It's worth taking a look at what the aims of the Chiefs are:
http://www.clanchiefs.org/history.html
And progressing to the Constitution section I can find nothing there either to indicate that they would be prepared to enter into the realm of giving a seal of approval to kiltmakers as opposed to armorial bearings and heraldry.
Of course there would be nothing to prevent an approach to gauge reaction upon this issue but I fear it could well be a case of Ultra Vires.
[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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4th March 08, 05:36 AM
#8
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
I am aware of the intended purpose (as I have stated in several of my posts) but thank you for pointing out again.
My concern is, that while good-intentioned, such actions might accidently include reputable overseas firms and kiltmakers, unless a better solution, such as Rathdown's suggestion, is considered.
T.
I completely agree with your concern Todd. And it doesn't even have to be an overseas firm. A Scottish kiltmaker could fulfill all the requirements except one, and would then not qualify.
We see this all the time when laws are written. Sometimes a law is written quickly as a knee-jerk reaction to a situation, and then must be redone later because it wasn't thought through enough and they unintentionally restricted someone they hadn't thought of.
We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance. - Japanese Proverb
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