Lifting a Kilt

**The Barry** · 3rd March 08, 10:56 AM

In my brief stint in a pipe band, I was warned about all of the shows that we'd be doing on St. Patrick's day. It never happened to me, but I was ready with my response, just in case:

"See anything you like?"

**Clockwork John** · 3rd March 08, 04:26 PM

I don't wear a kilt to get chicks. I've got a great one at home. So when someone other than my wife attempts to "answer the question," my first instinct is to defend myself against the sexual assault, which several have pointed out kilt lifting is, legally. An elbow, a knee, a steel-capped boot... any of these will get the point across.

I once wore a "kilt" to hight school... there was a guy that I was in drama club with who had a crush on me. He asked if I was man enough to wear the kilt the traditional way... I wasn't. But my response to him was, "are you man enough to find out?"

He lifted to mid-thigh before he conceded that I was more of a man.

The only other time I've had my kilt lifted was also by a guy... Tony Duggins from the Tossers. If he'd been any less drunk than he was, I'd have laid him out, right there in front of the crowd.

**ccga3359** · 3rd March 08, 04:33 PM

Can't comment, never had it done. If it does the surprise will probably cause me a heart attack (as will the rest of SOKS around me). Actually one kilt night I felt my hem lift a quick swish and and a raised eyebrowed look ended any further event good-naturedly.

**SexyButler** · 3rd March 08, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by ccga3359

Can't comment, never had it done. If it does the surprise will probably cause me a heart attack (as will the rest of SOKS around me). Actually one kilt night I felt my hem lift a quick swish and and a raised eyebrowed look ended any further event good-naturedly.

Ummm..Grant baby, you are fooling no one! LOL!

**McFarkus** · 6th March 08, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Crusty

I once wore a "kilt" to high school... there was a guy that I was in drama club with who had a crush on me. He asked if I was man enough to wear the kilt the traditional way... I wasn't. But my response to him was, "are you man enough to find out?"

He lifted to mid-thigh before he conceded that I was more of a man.

My nephew James (XMarks memberr Seamus) had a similar experience in high school (which he chronicled here:http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/t...x.html?t=10893) only in his case it was a girl and she didn't stop at mid-thigh.

**JamieKerr** · 6th March 08, 12:38 PM

Logan, I was not comparing having my kilt raised to being raped. I apologize if that is how you took it. What I was saying is that some people say it is a rape victim's fault for being raped, that they did something to warrant the assault. I was comparing that fact to some people's belief that if I'm wearing a kilt, I should expect to have people pull it over my head. Does that sound better?

**Panache** · 6th March 08, 12:44 PM

As things seem to be getting a bit heated I would like to try to add a bit of perspective here.

We choose to wear kilts

The kilt has all sorts of associations with it.

Like it or not "The Question" and Kilt Lifters are part of those associations.

If you wear a kilt, sooner or later (unless you are Grant

) you are going to be asked what you wear under your kilt and/or someone is going to want to see for themselves.

Here is the great thing, you know this. Forewarned is forearmed. We all have the opportunity to prepare an arsenal of witty phrases ready to disarm someone. If that isn't comfortable to you then a stern glance and simple "None of your business" will suffice. For the would-be lifter a quick downward brush with one's hand and a very direct "NO" is a very simple matter.

If you can't accept the associations and deal with them in a reasonable manner then I'd advise you to not wear a kilt.

If someone physically attacks me I will resort to violence. If someone is rude I am not going to do so. This would be overreacting and wrong.

On that same note, no matter how rude someone else is I am not going to descend to their level. I am a gentleman first and foremost, and a gentleman knows how to deal with rude people and remain a gentleman.

Cheers

Jamie

**TechBear** · 8th March 08, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Panache

I am a gentleman first and foremost, and a gentleman knows how to deal with rude people and remain a gentleman.

I agree with what your post, but I would like to address the part I quoted above.

In Washington State, lifting a skirt or kilt can be construed as voyeurism, which is a class C felony (the statute is RCW 9A.44.115, with court precedents extending this to include "merely" lifting skirts.) A gentleman would not excuse criminal behavior as mere rudeness, as this invites the perpetrator to continue engaging in criminal activity.

The one time I was subjected to such an indignity, I turned to the person and reminded him of this law, pointing out that it was a felony and that if I pressed charges, he could face the rest of his life as a registered sex offender.

I never saw a drunk sober up that fast before.

**BoldHighlander** · 8th March 08, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by TechBear

The one time I was subjected to such an indignity, I turned to the person and reminded him of this law, pointing out that it was a felony and that if I pressed charges, he could face the rest of his life as a registered sex offender.

I never saw a drunk sober up that fast before.

I'll remember that one

**The Supreme Canuck** · 9th March 08, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by TechBear

The one time I was subjected to such an indignity, I turned to the person and reminded him of this law, pointing out that it was a felony and that if I pressed charges, he could face the rest of his life as a registered sex offender.

Though it's never happened to me, that's definitely what I'd do. I might also demand an apology.