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9th March 08, 06:03 PM
#1
A (not appropriate for here) anti-Campbell bias?
I suspect that historically all Clans and Families and even perhaps military units have both heroic and villainous aspects.
Especially depending on which side (of an event or particular period in time) is telling the tale.
I like the BW. Fashion-wise I prefer it to solid green or black.
As a Universal Tartan it is more attractive to my eyes than Stewart Hunting.
[FONT="Georgia"][B][I]-- Larry B.[/I][/B][/FONT]
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9th March 08, 06:28 PM
#2
My first kilt was/is Black Watch.
I like it, I respect the regiment, espicially the original Ladies From Hell who charged out of the trenches in WWI wearing said kilt.
Robert, I know that some individuals erroneously think the Watch (then known as the 43rd RoF) had something to do with Culloden, and thus dislike the tartan. In fact the Watch was not brought back from the continent until November 1745, and were then stationed in Kent in case France's Marshal Saxe & his 12, 000 men actually made their threatened invasion.
(Another train of thought as to why the Watch was kept away from the Jacobite rebellion was that as many as 300 of the privates had close relatives /or friends within the Jacobite forces.)
Some individuals tend to confuse the Black Watch with the Argyll Militia, which was at Culloden.
Even though the Modern (or Green) Mackay tartan is not based upon the Black Watch per say, there are many within the US branch who will not wear it because to them it resembles the Black Watch tartan, all part of this Culloden train of thought, which is ironic when in fact the Mackays supported the Crown & had two independent companies that were active in the north, one of which stopped supplies & money from reaching Prince Charlie's forces in March 1746
[SIZE="2"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]T. E. ("TERRY") HOLMES[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]proud descendant of the McReynolds/MacRanalds of Ulster & Keppoch, Somerled & Robert the Bruce.[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]"Ah, here comes the Bold Highlander. No @rse in his breeks but too proud to tug his forelock..." Rob Roy (1995)[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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10th March 08, 12:50 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by BoldHighlander
My first kilt was/is Black Watch.
I like it, I respect the regiment, espicially the original Ladies From Hell who charged out of the trenches in WWI wearing said kilt.
Robert, I know that some individuals erroneously think the Watch (then known as the 43rd RoF) had something to do with Culloden, and thus dislike the tartan. In fact the Watch was not brought back from the continent until November 1745, and were then stationed in Kent in case France's Marshal Saxe & his 12, 000 men actually made their threatened invasion.
(Another train of thought as to why the Watch was kept away from the Jacobite rebellion was that as many as 300 of the privates had close relatives /or friends within the Jacobite forces.)
Some individuals tend to confuse the Black Watch with the Argyll Militia, which was at Culloden.
Even though the Modern (or Green) Mackay tartan is not based upon the Black Watch per say, there are many within the US branch who will not wear it because to them it resembles the Black Watch tartan, all part of this Culloden train of thought, which is ironic when in fact the Mackays supported the Crown & had two independent companies that were active in the north, one of which stopped supplies & money from reaching Prince Charlie's forces in March 1746 
Thank You for this sharp answer and brilliant demonstration.
If we ever meet live I'm afraid we will have to spend the the whole day talking (and perhaps part of the night )
Robert
Robert Amyot-MacKinnon
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10th March 08, 01:06 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by Ancienne Alliance
Thank You for this sharp answer and brilliant demonstration.
If we ever meet live I'm afraid we will have to spend the the whole day talking (and perhaps part of the night  )
Robert
Indeed, I look forward to that moment in time!
[SIZE="2"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]T. E. ("TERRY") HOLMES[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]proud descendant of the McReynolds/MacRanalds of Ulster & Keppoch, Somerled & Robert the Bruce.[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]"Ah, here comes the Bold Highlander. No @rse in his breeks but too proud to tug his forelock..." Rob Roy (1995)[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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10th March 08, 07:15 AM
#5
Here are my thoughts on the Black Watch tartan:
It's dull, bland, low contrast, it's horribly generic, and there are those who dislike it because of its connection to the Black Watch itself...
However, I was born a Campbell, I'll die a Campbell, and as long as I'm a Campbell I'll wear my clan tartan with pride.
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10th March 08, 09:06 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by Crusty
as long as I'm a Campbell I'll wear my clan tartan with pride.
IMHO the ancient Campbell tartan is a good looking tartan, I far prefer it over the modern dark tartan.
"Forget Not"
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10th March 08, 01:06 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by Cawdorian
IMHO the ancient Campbell tartan is a good looking tartan, I far prefer it over the modern dark tartan.
"Forget Not"
I like the ancient as well.
I think my favorite is my Canadian military issue Black Watch... it's so dark I can't tell where the blue ends and the black begins, and it's only slightly easier to distinguish the green...it's almost like a shadow tartan... it's just "shades of dark."
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11th April 09, 07:41 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by Clockwork John
Here are my thoughts on the Black Watch tartan:
It's dull, bland, low contrast, it's horribly generic, and there are those who dislike it because of its connection to the Black Watch itself...
However, I was born a Campbell, I'll die a Campbell, and as long as I'm a Campbell I'll wear my clan tartan with pride.
Sir, I applaud you.
My wife is of direct Campbell stock. I'm vurra tired of no person asking the question, "What aboot the MacDonalds and the McLeods and the kirk and the torches"?
The Cambpells of Breadlebane were guilty of violating hospitality, The MacDonalds violated Sanctity(or was that sanctuary?)
Commissioner of Clan Strachan, Central United States.
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