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27th March 08, 09:24 AM
#1
That's cool, but I think I'll stick with What Price Glory
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27th March 08, 09:26 AM
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27th March 08, 11:11 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by beloitpiper
Why? The kilts featured on that page are the "real thing"(tm): completely hand made by expert Scottish regimental kilt makers to regimental patterns using woolen cloth from Robert Noble. The WPG kilts are: made in Pakistan by Pakistani kilt makers using Pakistani cloth to patterns that are not in alignment with the patterns as once used by the army. They are a reasonable reproduction for film and television (where nobody can tell the difference) or re-enactment groups but compared more closely they are large leagues apart. At such similar price points (if they fit), why settle or much less? Kilts like those won't ever be made again. The cloth (they have gone over to using cheaper worsted cloth), workmanship (the army kilts, at least, are now machine sewn) and patterns are now all history. One can get some surplus cloth and there are army kiltmakers still around but the cost to have one made will be several times this amount and it might be as good but not better.
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27th March 08, 02:17 PM
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 Originally Posted by Nanook
Why? The kilts featured on that page are the "real thing"(tm): completely hand made by expert Scottish regimental kilt makers to regimental patterns using woolen cloth from Robert Noble. The WPG kilts are: made in Pakistan by Pakistani kilt makers using Pakistani cloth to patterns that are not in alignment with the patterns as once used by the army. They are a reasonable reproduction for film and television (where nobody can tell the difference) or re-enactment groups but compared more closely they are large leagues apart. At such similar price points (if they fit), why settle or much less? Kilts like those won't ever be made again. The cloth (they have gone over to using cheaper worsted cloth), workmanship (the army kilts, at least, are now machine sewn) and patterns are now all history. One can get some surplus cloth and there are army kiltmakers still around but the cost to have one made will be several times this amount and it might be as good but not better.
WPG kilts may be made in Pakistan, but the Gordon one I have is really, really good. Heavy, thick wool with lots of thick pleats and good stitching. Look at the photos on the "real deal" site, the buckles and straps are even the same!!! It is also HALF the price as the "real deal" kilts. I won't argue that the others are good quality, because they probably are, but I am arguing that WPG kilts are very good, if not as good.
You know what...after looking through the site, I'm not entirely convinced that those items are military surplus. Either WPG is really good at reproducing military items, or they are the same products...
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27th March 08, 03:07 PM
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 Originally Posted by beloitpiper
You know what...after looking through the site, I'm not entirely convinced that those items are military surplus. Either WPG is really good at reproducing military items, or they are the same products...
The NSN on the Black Watch Kilt is genuine however the labeling differs slightly, as I've had mine for a number of years its possible this is a new manufacturer, the waist band, loops and buckles are the same. I've asked on another forum for confirmation.
TBO I don't know why some of you guys get so excited about these kilts as the material, while heavy, is not the most comfortable to wear.
Last edited by Nervous Jock; 27th March 08 at 03:15 PM.
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27th March 08, 03:51 PM
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 Originally Posted by Nervous Jock
The NSN on the Black Watch Kilt is genuine however the labeling differs slightly, as I've had mine for a number of years its possible this is a new manufacturer, the waist band, loops and buckles are the same. I've asked on another forum for confirmation.
Argyle Ltd held the contract and the label appears correct and authentic.
TBO I don't know why some of you guys get so excited about these kilts as the material, while heavy, is not the most comfortable to wear.
This is really up to question. I personally really like high cut kilts and woven tartan. Its much more robust than worsted wool. I also like heavy tweeds. In lighter weight kilts I do prefer worsted wool but I also don't wear heavy tweeds or heavy kilts in the summer :-)
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28th March 08, 03:51 AM
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 Originally Posted by Nanook
Argyle Ltd held the contract and the label appears correct and authentic.
I've had this confirmed by another source, I also have contact details for Argyll Ltd if anyone wants to contact them to query this.
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28th March 08, 04:37 AM
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Dang! Four more inches of waist size and I'd be after one of the Black Watch kilts!! Did you notice that the aprons appear to be not fringed on these army kilts?
Brian
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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27th March 08, 06:57 PM
#9
 Originally Posted by Nervous Jock
TBO I don't know why some of you guys get so excited about these kilts as the material, while heavy, is not the most comfortable to wear.
In Canada? -20, -30 below celcius plus wind chill, especially on the Great Lakes slices right through you. And my Mum could've decided on going to Australia!
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28th March 08, 03:49 AM
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 Originally Posted by ccga3359
In Canada? -20, -30 below celcius plus wind chill, especially on the Great Lakes slices right through you. And my Mum could've decided on going to Australia!
Ha Ha like it
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