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                                                27th March 08, 11:11 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Why? The kilts featured on that page are the "real thing"(tm): completely hand made by expert Scottish regimental kilt makers to regimental patterns using woolen cloth from Robert Noble. The WPG kilts are: made in Pakistan by Pakistani kilt makers using Pakistani cloth to patterns that are not in alignment with the patterns as once used by the army. They are a reasonable reproduction for film and television (where nobody can tell the difference) or re-enactment groups but compared more closely they are large leagues apart. At such similar price points (if they fit), why settle or much less? Kilts like those won't ever be made again. The cloth (they have gone over to using cheaper worsted cloth), workmanship (the army kilts, at least, are now machine sewn) and  patterns are now all history. One can get some surplus cloth and there are army kiltmakers still around but the cost to have one made will be several times this amount and it might be as good but not better.
		
			
			
				
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                                                27th March 08, 12:47 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	No, no connection to it.  I just love that hodden grey cloth.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by SportBilly   That London Scottish is nice. Got a connection to it or do you just like it?  I'm not really sure I would buy one, but I do love to admire it. 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                27th March 08, 01:01 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Does anybody know in what system of measurements the ones on that site are given?  Metric or inches?
 They certainly seem to be made for kids!
   
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                27th March 08, 01:11 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					The breech is the waist, 96cm = 32 inches.  Remember most soldiers are young and relatively lean (in the waist at least)
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                                                27th March 08, 01:15 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					If breech = waist, what is width? 
 Yes, I was reminded that the usual European soldier is a fit 18-19 y/o.
   
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                27th March 08, 01:30 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Breech is around the hips. Width=waist.
				 --Scott"MacDonald the piper stood up in the pulpit,
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                                                27th March 08, 01:36 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					  Originally Posted by Galician   Does anybody know in what system of measurements the ones on that site are given?  Metric or inches? 
They certainly seem to be made for kids!   The last kilt on the list of Black Watch is the largest you can get before Special made to order.
 
 The first measurement is height (metric), so some of the "smaller" kilts are designed for troops who are only 5'5"/6" tall or there abouts.
 
 I would say if you're serving,  that height and have waist more than 32/4 you have a problem.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                27th March 08, 01:57 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Why, oh why, did I have to look!?!  A Gordon in just about my size.
 Woe is me.
 
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                                                27th March 08, 02:09 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					They're all my size!
 However, that comes around to like 300 bucks...
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                27th March 08, 02:17 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	WPG kilts may be made in Pakistan, but the Gordon one I have is really, really good.  Heavy, thick wool with lots of thick pleats and good stitching.  Look at the photos on the "real deal" site, the buckles and straps are even the same!!!  It is also HALF the price as the "real deal" kilts.  I won't argue that the others are good quality, because they probably are, but I am arguing that WPG kilts are very good, if not as good.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Nanook   Why? The kilts featured on that page are the "real thing"(tm): completely hand made by expert Scottish regimental kilt makers to regimental patterns using woolen cloth from Robert Noble. The WPG kilts are: made in Pakistan by Pakistani kilt makers using Pakistani cloth to patterns that are not in alignment with the patterns as once used by the army. They are a reasonable reproduction for film and television (where nobody can tell the difference) or re-enactment groups but compared more closely they are large leagues apart. At such similar price points (if they fit), why settle or much less? Kilts like those won't ever be made again. The cloth (they have gone over to using cheaper worsted cloth), workmanship (the army kilts, at least, are now machine sewn) and  patterns are now all history. One can get some surplus cloth and there are army kiltmakers still around but the cost to have one made will be several times this amount and it might be as good but not better. 
 You know what...after looking through the site, I'm not entirely convinced that those items are military surplus.  Either WPG is really good at reproducing military items, or they are the same products...
 
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
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