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    The heraldic "lozenge" shield is a diamond. But yes.

    As for cadency marks, we all agree they exist, but even the College of Arms is of the opinion that piling them on top of one another makes for an absurd result, and the whole coat passes to the heirs of an armiger, who may use cadency marks if they wish.

    Wikipedia also mentions several letters from the Garter Principal King of Arms to the same effect, and the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica. Several of my heraldry books say the same thing.

    I think we're all right here. The marks exist. Sometimes, they're used. I'm just saying they're far from universal and are not required outside of Scotland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyLawyer View Post
    The heraldic "lozenge" shield is a diamond. But yes.

    As for cadency marks, we all agree they exist, but even the College of Arms is of the opinion that piling them on top of one another makes for an absurd result, and the whole coat passes to the heirs of an armiger, who may use cadency marks if they wish.

    Wikipedia also mentions several letters from the Garter Principal King of Arms to the same effect, and the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica. Several of my heraldry books say the same thing.

    I think we're all right here. The marks exist. Sometimes, they're used. I'm just saying they're far from universal and are not required outside of Scotland.
    I would say mostly they are used in England there may well be exceptions to the rule and it may result in another form of differencing in some cases an extra charge or the like. The main difference is that in England you wouldn't get prosecuted if you didn't use cadency where as in Scotland you may well could be.
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