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26th February 09, 08:17 PM
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Glen McGuire
A Life Lived in Fear, Is a Life Half Lived.
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26th February 09, 08:42 PM
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I suppose, if there is ANYWHERE one should wear a kilt, Scotland would be the place!
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27th February 09, 03:22 AM
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A properly worn tartan kilt is appreciated by us all in Scotland. I am not sure that we are quite ready for the modern style of non tartan kilt though! There are one or two who are wearing them and I doubt if any comment would be made, there will be thoughts, if the modern type was worn here in the highlands, but there are places in, say, Glasgow that might raise a comment or two.
No, the kilt is not daily wear for most Scots, in fact quite the opposite and I doubt that 50% of Scots own a kilt. Make no mistake, whilst they may not own a kilt, ALL Scots consider themselves as kilt experts, even if they are not! Generally speaking, we do not understand the wearing of more than one tartan. There are exceptions, such as wearing a different tartan of the same clan, a pipe band tartan, or, your regimental tartan. So, If you were making a home here for say 6 months or more, stick with one tartan, particularly in the highlands. Nothing would ever be said, but the thought would most certainly be there; "poser", if, you were to wear different tartans.
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27th February 09, 11:01 AM
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 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
So, If you were making a home here for say 6 months or more, stick with one tartan, particularly in the highlands. Nothing would ever be said, but the thought would most certainly be there; "poser", if, you were to wear different tartans.
This is actually much needed information for me, and I appreciate it.
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do". I totally agree.
Interestingly, if the 'Scots' and 'Americans' were compared to fine Scotch, I see that the Scottish would be more or less a single-malt and the Americans would be a blend. What I mean is that if you're from Scotland, perhaps you have a much better chance of a solitary traceable bloodline. We Americans are lucky if we can't find 15* or more [*exageration]. Hence the fact of why we might want to wear more than one Tartan.
Take me for instance...I have strong Scottish, German, French and English roots, however, the one that seems to be my calling card or my heart song, would be Scottish (it's in me blood). Furthermore, upon much study I have traced my bloodline to Shaw, MacIntosh, Boyd, Chattan, MacPherson, Forbes, MacDonald, and Johnstone.
As point of fact, I feel that we 'Americans' support *ALL* of our Clan relations with such passion as to be mauled by it. I, myself, hunger for any connection that I can find because it makes me feel alive and have a better understanding for why I do the things I do. Therefore, I tend to want to honor all of the Clans.
...again, I totally agree with your suggestion when in the Highlands. ith:
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27th February 09, 01:06 PM
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 Originally Posted by shawhighlander
This is actually much needed information for me, and I appreciate it.
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do". I totally agree.
Interestingly, if the 'Scots' and 'Americans' were compared to fine Scotch, I see that the Scottish would be more or less a single-malt and the Americans would be a blend. What I mean is that if you're from Scotland, perhaps you have a much better chance of a solitary traceable bloodline. We Americans are lucky if we can't find 15* or more [*exageration]. Hence the fact of why we might want to wear more than one Tartan.
Take me for instance...I have strong Scottish, German, French and English roots, however, the one that seems to be my calling card or my heart song, would be Scottish (it's in me blood). Furthermore, upon much study I have traced my bloodline to Shaw, MacIntosh, Boyd, Chattan, MacPherson, Forbes, MacDonald, and Johnstone.
As point of fact, I feel that we 'Americans' support *ALL* of our Clan relations with such passion as to be mauled by it. I, myself, hunger for any connection that I can find because it makes me feel alive and have a better understanding for why I do the things I do. Therefore, I tend to want to honor all of the Clans.
...again, I totally agree with your suggestion when in the Highlands.  ith:
Our past clan connections are there anyway, whether we choose to remember them or not is another matter. We wear the one tartan,for all sorts of reasons, but that does not mean, necessarily, for one second that the other clan connections are swept aside and forgotten.Its just that ,generally speaking, we choose to wear the one tartan. Its just our way. Oh and cheaper ,of course!
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27th February 09, 01:17 PM
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Thanks Jock,
If I'm not mistaken, the tartan was designed for identification purposes, therefore I would see why you would prefer to keep with the tradition even now. I will absolutely honor this advice when I visit my 'ancestral home' in the Highlands.
Cheers,
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27th February 09, 01:25 PM
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 Originally Posted by shawhighlander
Thanks Jock,
If I'm not mistaken, the tartan was designed for identification purposes, therefore I would see why you would prefer to keep with the tradition even now. I will absolutely honor this advice when I visit my 'ancestral home' in the Highlands.
Cheers,
If you need any help with planning your trip over then, please do let me know if you think I can be of some assistance.
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27th February 09, 03:02 PM
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 Originally Posted by shawhighlander
If I'm not mistaken, the tartan was designed for identification purposes...
That's a very common misconception. Tartans were designed for fashion (with, perhaps, possible considerations made, now and then, for camoflage). Assigning tartans to clans is a pretty new idea that has really caught on.
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27th February 09, 02:35 PM
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 Originally Posted by shawhighlander
This is actually much needed information for me, and I appreciate it.
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do". I totally agree.
Interestingly, if the 'Scots' and 'Americans' were compared to fine Scotch, I see that the Scottish would be more or less a single-malt and the Americans would be a blend. What I mean is that if you're from Scotland, perhaps you have a much better chance of a solitary traceable bloodline. We Americans are lucky if we can't find 15* or more [*exageration]. Hence the fact of why we might want to wear more than one Tartan.
Take me for instance...I have strong Scottish, German, French and English roots, however, the one that seems to be my calling card or my heart song, would be Scottish (it's in me blood). Furthermore, upon much study I have traced my bloodline to Shaw, MacIntosh, Boyd, Chattan, MacPherson, Forbes, MacDonald, and Johnstone.
As point of fact, I feel that we 'Americans' support *ALL* of our Clan relations with such passion as to be mauled by it. I, myself, hunger for any connection that I can find because it makes me feel alive and have a better understanding for why I do the things I do. Therefore, I tend to want to honor all of the Clans.
...again, I totally agree with your suggestion when in the Highlands.  ith:
I identify completely with Shawhighlander. As an American, whatever that means, my heart is definitely from another place. My namesake ancestors were Borderers and I am the last male in my family line with this last name.
I have spent time in Scotland visiting a large part of it (although the last time was nearly 12 years ago now), and the Borders are my "spiritual home". On one of my trips I carried my kilt all around the country, but never put it on. Mostly not wanting to explain why. I just didn't have the nerve I guess.
I've actually only seen 2 "civilians" wearing one. One was a tour guide outside Waverly Station, and the other was a local chap in Portree on Skye.
As I said it's been awhile since my last visit, and I'm pleased to hear that wearing a kilt is becoming more popular. I'll bring mine back the next time I visit. I also understand and only wear my family tartan or one I have a true connection to, like the USMC. Although some are very handsome I'm not really interested in wearing another. Strange isn't it?
Dave Scott
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10th March 09, 08:42 PM
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Just to reiterate...
 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
A properly worn tartan kilt is appreciated by us all in Scotland...
Definitely wear a kilt, but PLEASE note the word "PROPERLY". In my experience, anyone (but especially an American) wearing one improperly is going to attract unwanted scorn.
A few random American spotting clues...
You are unlikely to see a fat Scot over the age of 25 in a cheap printed t-shirt, with white sports socks and trainers, wearing a kilt. Under 25 and not-obese and you could pull it off (so to speak).
You are unlikely to see a Scot in a Jacobite shirt (and those lacy brogues) unless he is working for a cheap retailer on the Royal Mile selling to American tourists.
You are unlikely to see a Scot wearing a flat cap at the same time as a kilt (there's plenty of threads here that make this point).
Other than in rather salubrious parts, you probably won't see much flesh at the same time as the kilt (and, of course, excluding athletes) and I can't say I have ever seen a kilt-wearer with visible tattoos (especially on their calves) (except Naval "other ranks" ones on their lower arms).
Wearing a football shirt with a kilt, does not make you an athlete, and is only really 'normal' when you are in the company of a large number of similarly clad folks (generally with a can in one hand).
Check out 'proper' day wear, for cool spring and autumn nights (when a pullover can be worn) and for hot summer days (when they can't and the choice of shirt is that much more important). A plain shirt and tie with hose up and plain brogues or parade shoes and then you're talking.
Oh, and on the subject of talking... No-one will probably comment on the accent, but if you shout (ie use any more volume than is needed to be heard by someone with perfect hearing) you will be a marked man.
I'm sure others will have a few pointers too!
All the best, Graham.
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