Christopher Columbus was Scottish

[Bugbear]

Well, there are negative influences too... I guess the point was that cultures and people usually do not exist in a vacuum in relation to other cultures no matter how at war they are.

Sorry to have off topic-ed this, but it is interesting.

[macwilkin]

Well, there are negative influences too... I guess the point was that cultures and people usually do not exist in a vacuum in relation to other cultures no matter how at war they are.

Sorry to have off topic-ed this, but it is interesting.

Of course, Ted...google "middle ground" to learn about the varied relationship, good and bad, between Indians and Europeans.

T.

[Bugbear]

Thanks, Todd, and I'm also trying to do a little reading research into my own subculture's history in Scotland. Very interesting stuff.

[Brother Falldown]

Being of Native American blood also ( 1/8 Mowhawk), I still find it funny that anyone can think someone " discovered" any place where people already lived.

Nah.. It happens all the time! Just like when Pocahontas discovered Europe.ith:

[Brother Falldown]

Yes and no. Remember that Native Americans quickly realised that Europeans could prove to be very important allies in tribal conflicts, and soon made alliances with them in hopes that the latter would be able to defeat enemies -- witness the willingness of a number of tribes in the central valley of Mexico who were all too happy to see Cortes and his men and help them defeat the Aztecs.

Regards,

Todd

I recall reading somewhere that the Aztecs with thier slings and clay pellets were far more effective both in rate of fire and accuracy that Cortez's muskets.

[Riverkilt]

Whoa!!

Is that rumor I started TRUE??

Makes me feel a bit better having been born on the old pre-government Columbus Day.

(kinda cute - my alcoholic little sister calls me to wish me a happy birthday on whichever day the government declares Columbus Day that year).

And a cute story some haven't heard. I'm in full turn out after the Flagstaff Highland Games. Got caught in a speed trap crossing the Navajo Nation on my way to Hopiland.

Navajo cop writes the ticket (you can NOT talk your way out of them) and after he's done he asks me why I'm dressed like I am.

Told him I just came from the Highland Games. He asks, "Who won?" He had no clue but got it when I told him the Highland Games were like a Scottish Pow - Wow.

I know many people were here before me, but this land will always be special to me since somewhere on the South bank of the Alabama River near an old Army Air Corps hospital lies a piece of my flesh. The victim of my first, and so far only, amputation.

My flesh is now part of the dust of this land.

Ron

[Bigkahuna]

Whoa!!

Is that rumor I started TRUE??

Makes me feel a bit better having been born on the old pre-government Columbus Day.

(kinda cute - my alcoholic little sister calls me to wish me a happy birthday on whichever day the government declares Columbus Day that year).

And a cute story some haven't heard. I'm in full turn out after the Flagstaff Highland Games. Got caught in a speed trap crossing the Navajo Nation on my way to Hopiland.

Navajo cop writes the ticket (you can NOT talk your way out of them) and after he's done he asks me why I'm dressed like I am.

Told him I just came from the Highland Games. He asks, "Who won?" He had no clue but got it when I told him the Highland Games were like a Scottish Pow - Wow.

I know many people were here before me, but this land will always be special to me since somewhere on the South bank of the Alabama River near an old Army Air Corps hospital lies a piece of my flesh. The victim of my first, and so far only, amputation.

My flesh is now part of the dust of this land.

Ron

Hope it wasn't something important!

[Bigkahuna]

Interesting, Ted...something to research, if nothing else. The first thing that comes to mind is the fact that the Six Nations, save the Onedia, sided with the British during the Revolution, so I wouldn't think the Confederation government would feel much sympathy towards them, let alone adopt "their" form of government.

T.

Most of the Eastern Woodlands Tribes had some kind of confederacy. This is supposed to have influenced Benjamin Franklin's thoughts on government.

[Bugbear]

Whack!!! You are now an American.

I'm kind of wondering what Ron is talking about with this, but I was afraid to ask.

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Nevermind, I very carefully read the post again several times.

[macwilkin]

Most of the Eastern Woodlands Tribes had some kind of confederacy. This is supposed to have influenced Benjamin Franklin's thoughts on government.

Ted also mentioned this, but the jury is still out in terms of definitive sources that confirm it. Can you point us in the direction of such a source?

T.