1820-mid 1820s Dress Attire- NWC - Puffer

**Woodsheal** · 16th March 09, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by puffer

You are correct. The problem I have is that I have is @ 67, i need "trifocals" & as yet I have not found PC glasses that can do it all.. My Optometrist ( who is a shooter) has made me a pair for shooting ( so I I can see both my rear sight , front sight, & the target, but alas, I can not use them for "reading" OLD AGE,

If you have some ideas please let me know.

Puffer

Puff,
Well, you only need PC eye-wear for reenactment events, where there is no live shooting (and for "period" social events, of course

). Why not go with bi-focals for this limited usage, and use the larger round 18th c. frames as opposed to the little oval 19th c. ones. More lense room on the former...!

**DWFII** · 16th March 09, 04:34 PM

Puffer,

I like your look...you always cut a rakish figure.

So...I need to ask a question and in order to do that, I want to stipulate that (a) I am not an historian and (b) the question is asked in a sincere spirit of inquiry.

That said, I have good friends who are historians and it has been drummed into my head until my ears bled that "without evidence that it happened, it didn't happen."

I have never seen any paintings or or illustrations or contemporaneous accounts that document white hose accompanying Highland Attire in the time period you specify.

Can you point me to some sources?

**vmac3205** · 16th March 09, 06:06 PM

Wear weighted contacts. No one will know if you are correct.

**puffer** · 16th March 09, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by DWFII

Puffer,

I like your look...you always cut a rakish figure.

So...I need to ask a question and in order to do that, I want to stipulate that (a) I am not an historian and (b) the question is asked in a sincere spirit of inquiry.

That said, I have good friends who are historians and it has been drummed into my head until my ears bled that "without evidence that it happened, it didn't happen."

I have never seen any paintings or or illustrations or contemporaneous accounts that document white hose accompanying Highland Attire in the time period you specify.

Can you point me to some sources?

I APPRECIATE your " honest inquiry"

The "White" hose were a "concern" for me. as was the kilt. I could "document' the kilt, But but NOT the the hose in this "situation". What I had was the "fact" that this type of hose was the "required" wear" for gentlemen of my class when wearing "Pantaloons" ( proper "pants") I then took the following "license"
( Note I consulted Several NWC/HBC Historians (Ft. Langley, Sutter, Nesqually, & Vancouver. concerning this. They ALL agreed that although they could not document the "hose" as what few "Accounts" of Kilts did not mention the hose worn.( VERY little NWC records survive from this period.) But ALL said my "reasoning"was correct. Also note that I have worn this "look @ Ft. Nisqually, Ft. Spokane, Ft, Langley, During " Historian presentations, & they they all accepted it.
My "reasoning was, in this situation, I would be "dressed" according to my "social" station. Any other type "hose" would have been UNACCEPTABLE"

As to you "Historical" friends, I MEAN NO DISRESPECT but they are wrong. Perhaps in relation to "set piece" events, it may apply, but in the real world ( esp. in relation to "civilian wear) it DOES NOT. Illustrations are VERY suspect @ best. & accounts only reflect the persons experience or eye view.
Example = Most of the above, "picture" fur traders wearing "Leathers" yet the "REALITY is they DID NOT, In FACT, Most wore what they wore "back east" ( NOTE both the NWC & HBC FORBID this attire except by a few emerges ( this also included thier 100s of "Sandwich Islanders & Iroquois employees. & any Metis or native woman "married"to a NWC/HBS employee ( except those married to other Metis or natve ).

Puffer

**BobsYourUncle** · 16th March 09, 06:52 PM

From one reenactor to another, kudos and congratulations. Quite an acheivement, made even more so by how very well you carry it off. Cheers!

**puffer** · 16th March 09, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by vmac3205

Wear weighted contacts. No one will know if you are correct.

Victoria, I wish I could, but ALAS, for some reason I can NOT. But since I am "far sighted, usualy I forsake glasses, but I for got to take them off for the pic

puffer

**puffer** · 16th March 09, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by BobsYourUncle

From one reenactor to another, kudos and congratulations. Quite an acheivement, made even more so by how very well you carry it off. Cheers!

Thank You.

BTW, I LOVE the pic. "Laird's Plaids = YES

Puffer

**Buckskin** · 16th March 09, 07:28 PM

I love the jacket! Hate that it was special made, that means I cann't buy one.
Buckskin

**puffer** · 16th March 09, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Woodsheal

Puff,
Well, you only need PC eye-wear for reenactment events, where there is no live shooting (and for "period" social events, of course

). Why not go with bi-focals for this limited usage, and use the larger round 18th c. frames as opposed to the little oval 19th c. ones. More lense room on the former...!

GOOD IDEA>

Puffer

**Tim Little** · 16th March 09, 07:57 PM

Puffer -- Very unique (as always!) and well put together! That jacket is particularly splendid.

Not to get the rabble off on another hose tangent, but would diced hose (black and red, perhaps?) be a period-correct option? In my mind's eye I think it looks quite nice.