Even in Scotland

[Nerts]

When my Wife and I were in Edinburgh last June/July, we were told that Scots only really wear kilts for special occaisions, and that since the Queen was in town we could look forward to seeing lots of them. But otherwise the only people wearing kilts would be the tourists. I thought it was interesting, and really cool to see the gents in their kilts and the lasses in their big (and I'm talking BIG) hats!

Ignorance is everywhere, it's how we deal with it that sets us apart.

E.

[Nighthawk]

I would ignore a statement, assuming it was something that didn't set well with me, but not the person. I can very much understand that people will have differing views on all kinds of things. I can set aside my own feelings and views on something enough to be civil toward other people. I also would not want to treat someone poorly because of the beliefs or views they were raised with and that are a context of their life.

You know... try to get along and be nice. :ootd:

Ah, but that requires that we leave people alone and mind our business. For some reason, even though it actually requires more time and energy, we seem to feel an overwhelming need to harass each other and try to force our own views on other people. I never could figure that out...

:ootd:

[SteveB]

Jordan,
I am probably on the wrong side of the pond for this. But my tuppence is coming anyway. The SWK Thrifty (I own one) and the Sport Kilt (I also own one of these) are to the eye of most of your neighbours that I have met not even close to being considered as a kilt. To these people anything other than a wool tartan kilt of the traditional design worn with proper hose, brogues, button down shirt, four in hand tie, tweed waistcoat, and matching tweed jacket, with a proper day sporran is not being properly a kilt kit. This attitude has been around forever, and still remains among many. I experienced it as a teenager living only a few miles from you as a foreign exchange student for a year. Although this was many years ago, some of these people I knew then have found me here on this board and written to tell me of the disgrace to the national dress of Scotland that has been pictured on me on this board, and that I should know better. They only lurk, and really should join in.

For others on the board, a "Pride" event (festival, dance, conference, etc) refers to events organized for the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered communities. This terminology seems to apply equally on both sides of the pond.

My own feeling for the tongue waggers, is to get a good size group of friends together and make a kilted outing, in the style you describe, to the local yellow M. If there are enough people involved, it stops being something unique enough for gossip mill fodder. Even better is to have a frisbee throw at the local park, kilted of course.

As my info box says, I live in Boston, Massachusetts, in the U.S.A. I am also gay and in a same sex marriage, as is legal here. I do attend occasional L.G.B.T. events, and am the only one kilted. Around here the kilt is seen as a straight man's garment by most of the L.G.B.T. community. Go figure.

Kilt on, Cheers

[Dan R Porter]

I had no idea SSM are allowed in Boston. We have alot to learn here in the midwest. I have been telling my wife for years Boston is the place to be.

Anyways... I am a bit guilty of being fashion police myself. I always yell at my cousins/nephews about wearing they're pants half way down they're bottom. A bit hypocritical in hind-sight.

There are sub-cultures out there that have seasonal fashions, that means they buy clothes and wear them for a season, then its out out out!

My question is, how sure are you the kilt had anything to do with her question? Maybe she was just asking. I have asked friends/family before. I think its the polite thing to do.

I once invited a group of guys to a "nightclub" you know what kind. One of the guys in the group pulled me aside and told me that one of the guys was gay and probalbly would not enjoy this "gentlemens club." I felt like a piece of %$# for days.

I should have just asked, and anyone who knows me knows I am shy about nothing. SO maybe she was just asking?

[dfmacliam]

This thread makes me smile

[Dan R Porter]

Funny how a little simple story can cause so many Xmarkers to lay it out.

[SteveB]

Peacekeeper83
Your original post was excellent and caught the point well. Stereotypes exist in all groups about other groups.

Dan,
You should not beat yourself up about the invitation. There are many times a group of people wish to get together for the comradeship. The venue may not always meet EVERYONE's best desires. The group get together is often more important than the eye candy. I have joined with my co-workers at a local "gentleman's club" on occasion for the friendship even though the eye candy is not my favourite flavour.

Slainte

[sathor]

I once invited a group of guys to a "nightclub" you know what kind. One of the guys in the group pulled me aside and told me that one of the guys was gay and probalbly would not enjoy this "gentlemens club." I felt like a piece of %$# for days.

Perhaps. The last time I was at such a place, I was attacked with a shoe.. No desire to head back to there again. But I think I know a few people that would not care for the sights, and would even think to go there since no one would bother them.

Of course, I admit that if the offer was to where it was men that danced, I would be terribly less than comfortable there.

You might be surprised if you actually asked his thoughts on it. Sometimes the people with those kinds of friends try to shield them, sometimes when it is not needed. For a slightly different example, I haven't been a Christian for over 10 years now. I don't have a lot of Facebook friends, yet 3 or 4 of them are various priest of various Christian denominations.

Though we should be careful, this has got to be dancing with the line of the forum rules.

[billmcc]

In my experience, any kilt with pleats that aren't sewn down at the fell (like a SWK Thrifty) tends to be considered a skirt by many people.

[BroosterB1]

Yeah, yeah... But was he cute?

Bad Rex, Bad Rex. Down boy, Sit Stay!