Stewart clan septs?

[dfmacliam]

My family ties are Claghorn, but there are variant spellings Cleggherne, Cleghorn, Claghorn, and Glegghorn. There are ties to Lanarkshire with the Cleghorns, but also Corstophine, Strathclyde, and so on. The tartan I found was Cleghorn, but it also refrenced three Stewart tartans, Hunting, Black, and Old. I was curious about that, and why only those three? Could be be due to a certain family of Stewarts? On a side note, Claghorn also ties to Calgary tartans, but those are listed as Corporate, and Fashion.

[Colonel MacNeal]

I am constantly looking online for information about my Scottish links through the Claghorn family, yesterday I found a tartan listed for Clan Cleghorn which is a variant spelling of the same family. While looking in this new direction I found a website that listed both Claghorn and Cleghorn as being septs of the Stewarts. Is it possible if no link to a family is found they use the Stewart as a default? Or is it that this family is a true sept of the Stewarts.
I will say that the Tartan Finder on Matt Newsomes website, I might add I find the Cleghorn tartan to be very attractive. It is numbered 4144 on the registry.

You can use the Royal Stewart, the Black Stewart, and the Navy Stewart as defaults anyway because they are universal tartans. So wear any of them with pride. Just don't claim to be a Stewie unless you're sure.
Cheers, ColMac

[kscaddo]

As far as I know, Scottish Stewarts are related in that the various branches branched off the various high stewards, before the Bruce's daughter married the 6th high steward. For instance, the Appin Stewarts branched off around the 3rd or 4th. But as the first one came north from that other country, English Stewarts would be more distantly related. We consider the first Stewart was named Walter FitzAllen. He was a Norman and some, myself included, call him "big bang Walter". I understand that by the 3rd high steward, the title became ceremonial, and the d was dropped for the t.
Regards,
Ken Stewart

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

If your family is from Cleghorn in Lanarkshire, you could also wear MacMillan hunting as the feudal baron of Cleghorn is Andrew McMillan of Cleghorn....

[dfmacliam]

My family is Claghorn and they resided in the Corstophine,Edinburgh, and Strathclyde areas. Robert Burns was said to have a good friend named Robert Claghorn, who was a well known farmer with a good voice, he too, was from the Edinburgh area.
Cleghorn House in Lanarkshire was owned by Allan Lockhart, as early as the 1400's and from what I read, the family (Cleghorn) had no ties to it since then, I guess because they were a rebellious lot. Matter of fact that family branch(Lockhart) is refered to as Lockhart of Cleghorn.
The family name comes from Clegerne, which was a camp in the area from which the Roman advancement was halted more north. There are several variations of the name.. Cleghorn, Claghorn, Cleggherne, Gleghorn. As I previously mentioned the fily line I descend from is the Claghorns, and specifically James Claghorn, who fought at Dunbar and was one of 150 Scottish prisoners sent to the colonies as a slave. An interesting note... His grandson Col. George Claghorn was the builder of the USS Constitution, "Old Ironsides". So I guess the rebellious nature of the family finally paid out.
I might add this.. This connection is through my biological fathers family, I was raised and adopted by my step father who gave me his name... Wilson.
I have always wanted a connection with my blood, with no disrespect to my Father. I have found information on my family, and found the Cleghorn tartan, and found that Claghorn in various tartan finders refered to the Cleghorn tartan, the Stewart Hunting, the Stewart Black, and the Stewart Old. What my question was, was about if these people listed it as a tie, was the Claghorn's considered a Sept of a particular Stewart family since only three of the many Stewart tartans were mentioned or because they are somewhat considered universal for the Scottish people, are they listed as default tartans because no other tartan could be found?
I am not looking for as many kilts and tartans as I can possibly wear, I will wear my Leatherneck tartan for all of my formal functions, since the Leatherneck is developed from the Gunn tartan, which Wilson is a sept. I will wear my solid color kilts for the casual wear to show my Irish side. I wanted to possibly get the Cleghorn, but listening to the more traditional members of this forum, I realize it's not necessary, or really practicle. I will always be a Marine, and the day I die, the Marines will lay me to rest, that's good enough for me.
I do appreciate everyones input on this thread.. I have learned a lot from those of you who took the time to researched on my behalf. Thank You!

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

My family is Claghorn and they resided in the Corstophine,Edinburgh, and Strathclyde areas. Robert Burns was said to have a good friend named Robert Claghorn, who was a well known farmer with a good voice, he too, was from the Edinburgh area.
Cleghorn House in Lanarkshire was owned by the Lockharts, as early as the 1400's and from what I read, the family had no ties to it since then, I guess because they were a rebellious lot.

If my rather shaky memory serves me correctly, the Lockharts resided at The Lee (Lee Castle) until well into the 20th century, finally leaving in (I believe) the late 70's. I can't for the life of me remember who next moved into the Lee, but by the early 80's it was the seat of E. Leslie Peter of Lee, who lavished millions on the place (he maintained his own pipe band for the entertainment of his dinner guests!). After the death of Peter of Lee his will was challenged and the property was ultimatley sold to a gentleman named (I think) Fischer, who had something to do with the computer industry...

McMillan of Cleghorn's branch of the family was involved in ironstone mining, and (I believe) was tied in with the Carron Ironworks. Andrew, the present McMillan of Cleghorn, was Master of the Worshipful Company of Gun Makers in London, and Master of the London Proof House for a number of years.

[dfmacliam]

I really enjoy this site because I can learn so much. I wonder if McMillans aquires the lands from the Lockharts? I know there is also a Cleghorn Chapel, I wonder if that area was refered to as Cleghorn and both families had adjacent holdings? I never really ventured out of my searches to other familes who aquired the original holdings. I felt that after the Barony was removed from the family and they(the land)were given to the Lockharts, after they took part in the rebellion, that the Lockharts were loyal to the English Crown, while the Cleghorns, Claghorns, et al were loyal to Scotland. I do not know, this is just my assumption, and I have no proof to support my opinion, other than tidbits of information, here and there.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I believe that the Lockharts of Lee were staunchly Jacobite, at least during the civil war of the 17th century, as they certainly fought on the royalist side. I've no idea when Cleghorn would have been raised to the status of a barony, but my guess is that it could have been as late as the reign of Charles I (1625-1649). Likewise, I have no idea when the barony may have passed from the Lockharts... such are the vicissitudes of life.

[dfmacliam]

Like I said I didn't know, but I assumed.. You know how that goes. I just read that it's possible that Sir Allan Lockhart of Cleghorn, might also be the same Sir Allan Lockhart of Lee.

[Bruce Scott]

Cleghorn, if memory serves me, is a place in Lanarkshire. If this is the source of the name I'm foxed to see how it could be part of clan Stewart.

Correct.

There is an interesting article entitled 'The Romantic Myth of Scottish Clan Septs' here:
http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/...lan-septs.html