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5th August 09, 02:21 PM
#1
 Originally Posted by Zardoz
How can your mother keep you from appying to a lodge??
 Originally Posted by Brother Falldown
I'm sorry, but I really do not understand. Could you explain?
Pops
The condition of getting along with family, I forget the wording, but I have no doubt she would do all in her power to keep that from happening. My dad was a Mason, and she doesn't like me doing anything that he did.
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5th August 09, 02:32 PM
#2
 Originally Posted by sathor
The condition of getting along with family, I forget the wording, but I have no doubt she would do all in her power to keep that from happening. My dad was a Mason, and she doesn't like me doing anything that he did.
Dude, wow.... Good Luck!
Order of the Dandelion, The Houston Area Kilt Society, Bald Rabble in Kilts, Kilted Texas Rabble Rousers, The Flatcap Confederation, Kilted Playtron Group.
"If you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk"
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5th August 09, 04:41 PM
#3
To further the study a little bit. I own both tartan and contemporary styled self colour kilts. I am deeply encouraged to dress as much as practical in the "traditional" manner. When so attired, the family and friends really warm up to being with me. The Amerikilt, Utilikilt, do not get that much excitement from the family. The contemporary kilts are the only ones that have ever gotten the "skirt" comment. Both sons have kilts and wear them as do both of my nephews. Two grandsons wear the kilt and one does not. One greatgrandson has a kilt, and his mother puts it on him regularly, he should grow up used to it as both of my sons always had kilts in their wardrobes.
Slainte
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5th August 09, 07:46 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by SteveB
To further the study a little bit. I own both tartan and contemporary styled self colour kilts. I am deeply encouraged to dress as much as practical in the "traditional" manner. When so attired, the family and friends really warm up to being with me. The Amerikilt, Utilikilt, do not get that much excitement from the family. The contemporary kilts are the only ones that have ever gotten the "skirt" comment.
I don't have any first hand experience with contemporary kilts, but I have seen versions of this sentiment mentioned many times over the years on this and other kilt fora. I think even folks that have never seen a kilt in person before see the tartan and sporran, they make the connection that it's a "kilt"
But a Utilikilt just looks like a weird skirt to them.
Order of the Dandelion, The Houston Area Kilt Society, Bald Rabble in Kilts, Kilted Texas Rabble Rousers, The Flatcap Confederation, Kilted Playtron Group.
"If you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk"
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5th August 09, 08:19 PM
#5
Part of the identification of the kilt is that the only exposure is seeing a pipe band in a parade, or a piper performing at a wedding or funeral. At these events the tartan kilt, sporran, hose, garter ties, and jacket make up the outfit that has readily become synonymous with the word kilt. In the city and traveling about on the public transit this becomes evident by the initial queries of passerby. The lasses usually are quite excited for the first up close contact with a gent in a kilt. "I see you are wearing a kilt. May I ask you some questions about it?" , "A kilt! I never get to see one up close, only on St Patrick's day in the parade. Do you wear it often? Is there a special event today?", etc. I enjoy conversing about the kilt with these people that are interested. I have worn the tartan kilt (Clan MacNeil) all of my life and only recently started wearing contemporary type kilts. They usually are only recognized as kilts by the Punk/Metal fans. Other people take them as a U.S. fad of M.U.G. or man-skirt. Just like the trouser, Utilikilts places its label on the right side on the back of the garment. Of the many hundreds of "skirt" questions that I have heard over the years, most of them whilst in tartan, have been because of a lack of knowledge of the kilt. The "skirt" comments/questions that I have encountered in the contemporary garments indicate that the tartan is recognized as a kilt but the solid colour is still a skirt to many.
All of this is my many years of observing the general population here in the U.S., Canada, and Germany. I am sure that it covers the relatives as well for the most part. The only vigorous opposition to my wearing of a modern kilt has been from older men that are heavily lubricated by alchohol.
Slainte
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5th August 09, 05:28 PM
#6
 Originally Posted by sathor
The condition of getting along with family, I forget the wording, but I have no doubt she would do all in her power to keep that from happening. My dad was a Mason, and she doesn't like me doing anything that he did.
Your defference to your mother may or may not be admirable. Regardless, after three decades in the fraternity, and some time in the "East" I am not aware of anything that would preclude you from petitioning for the degrees. There are some landmarks that have to be adhered to, but your family's approval isn't one of them. And I just realised how VERY FAR off topic I have drifted. My apologies.
Pop
Last edited by Brother Falldown; 5th August 09 at 05:42 PM.
Reason: spelling
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5th August 09, 07:20 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by Brother Falldown
Your defference to your mother may or may not be admirable. Regardless, after three decades in the fraternity, and some time in the "East" I am not aware of anything that would preclude you from petitioning for the degrees. There are some landmarks that have to be adhered to, but your family's approval isn't one of them. And I just realised how VERY FAR off topic I have drifted. My apologies.
Pop
Well, last Friday I told her she could take her "fa**y crossdresser" comment and shove it up.... and then hung up on her.
She says I dropped out of college, even though she was at my graduation.
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7th August 09, 04:20 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by sathor
Well, last Friday I told her she could take her "fa**y crossdresser" comment and shove it up.... and then hung up on her.
She says I dropped out of college, even though she was at my graduation.
Some people seem like they are never happy unless they make others miserable. I am sorry that this one in your life is your mother. All I can say, is live your life, live it with respect and honor, she may not be happy about it, but you are. I pray you can find the peace within, and know you are in good company with the lot of us. I have had people like that in my life and they made my life miserable, but I realized that it didn't matter what they say... The truth is always evident. I wish you well, and keep on kilting!
“Don’t judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant.”
– Robert Louis Stevenson
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