Theory and practice.

[Jock Scot]

How true, Jock. Even my wife howled with derision when she saw that atrocious outfit "Shir Shaun" wore when the Queen opened the Scottish Parliament all those years ago. A Prince Charlie with a jabot and lacey cuffs - to a daytime function as well! Here he was at an investiture again inappropriately dressed -


But, as you say, people see someone famous like that and think that such a travesty of dress is quite all right and one that they should emulate. Fine. But next you find them lecturing you on correct forms of dress, and it must be right if "Shir Shaun" or whoever else wears it.
As you say, it will always be possible to find a quotation here or a picture there to back up whatever assertion you want to make, but none of that can belie the fact of how we Scots actually dress, which is the point I think you are trying to make.

SteveB.

I have read your well written and well thought out piece and I agree with much of what you say.However my other theory and practice points in my opening post seem to have been lost in the fog. So I print Phil's pertinant post to illustrate and remind us all of the other point that I was making. With all due respect to you all, the first and second paragraphs of the first post on this thread does seem to have been "lost".

[Phil]

SteveB.

I have read your well written and well thought out piece and I agree wih much of what you say.However my other theory and practice points in my opening post seem to have been lost in the fog. So I print Phil's pertinant post to illustrate and remind us all of the other point that I was making. With all due respect to you all, the first and second paragraphs of the first post on this thread does seem to have been "lost".

I think, Jock, that a forum such as this does go a long way to educating people about the niceties of kilt-wearing from such blatant boo-boo's as having the pleats to the front a la Richard Branson to less obvious ones such as "Shir Shaun's" wearing evening dress to a daytime function or a tartan tie with a Prince Charlie. Then there are even less obvious ones such as wearing it at the top of the hip bone where it (usually) frames and accentuates the wearer's paunch instead of where it should be just below the rib cage where it hangs properly and flatters rather than accentuates a "gentleman of substance".
Anyway who could expect someone brought up in Fountainbridge in the back streets of Edinburgh to know how to dress properly. It is definitely time he joined this forum and got a few pointers. Whoever is selling him his outfits at the moment needs to hang his head in shame allowing him out in public like that.

[blackbeard]

With all due respect to you all, the first and second paragraphs of the first post on this thread does seem to have been "lost".

Oh dear I'm afraid I may have hijacked that thought to another thread while trying not to hijack this thread. Because your thoughts on kilts and “Shir Shaun's” blunders got me to thinking about non kilted formal blunders I stuck it in an off topic discussion.
Mr. Peter Marshall over the past few years has put together a pretty nice web site on (non kilted) formal wear and he has an entire page devoted to celebrity red carpet blunders. I agree with you Jock, Phil, and Mr. Marshall that whether kilted or wearing pants, rules are rules and we should not be looking to celebrities for our style guidance.... Except maybe George Clooney.

Kilt or no kilt, just because a famous person is wearing it; doesn't mean it's correct.

[Peter C.]

Interesting point about Rangers fans. If the're anything like English soccer fans then they might attack someone they thought was a Celtic fan. Mind you, ironically, most Irish actually are Celtic fans to some extent

Celtic and Rangers fans TAUGHT English soccer fans.

Peter

[Bruno]

Interesting point about Rangers fans. If the're anything like English soccer fans then they might attack someone they thought was a Celtic fan. Mind you, ironically, most Irish actually are Celtic fans to some extent

Celtic and Rangers fans TAUGHT English soccer fans.

Peter

Now I can not sit by and have you count our football fans as a second rate group, they far exceed the english version. They are held in fear by english clubs, no one wants our fans turning up at their quiet little stadiums. Extra police are on duty just Google Manchester last year.

Psh english fans are just learning, the Scots are the masters of this.

Ps a lot of Irish fans are actually rangers fans it goes by religion Catholic or Prody.

[Phil]

While always enjoying a spirited discussion, the relative merits or otherwise of football fans have absolutely no relevance whatsoever in this particular thread. There is only one possible direction for this to go and the sectarian tribalism which will ensue is only going to have this thread closed down.

[Peter C.]

Now I can not sit by and have you count our football fans as a second rate group, they far exceed the english version. They are held in fear by english clubs, no one wants our fans turning up at their quiet little stadiums. Extra police are on duty just Google Manchester last year.

Psh english fans are just learning, the Scots are the masters of this.

Ps a lot of Irish fans are actually rangers fans it goes by religion Catholic or Prody.

Bruno, I'm not going to say any more on this subject other than to say I was surprised that Phil didn't seem to realize that you and I were agreeing on the subject.

Peter

[Bruno]

Bruno, I'm not going to say any more on this subject other than to say I was surprised that Phil didn't seem to realize that you and I were agreeing on the subject.

Peter

Funny as for sectarian that's a joke. My mother was Protestant and father Catholic, while I was raised Protestant and married, you guessed a Catholic?? I would not know who I am supposed to not get on with, on that subject as my family is so muddled up.

I am disappointed that Phil jumped to wrong assumptions. That's what political correctness has done to people nowadays every one is looking to find a problem with no knowledge of the people involved. He could of just PM me and asked if he thought I was being, I don't know sectarian rather than have it in his mind. It could easily been cleared up. I'm disappointed that's how he interprets innocuous comments to be honest.

I honestly feel this is a major problem on some forums in that people have a hard time with messages and assume the worst. Now I personally drink in the local Rangers pub at times in my Irish National and we all get on well. I would urge people to check what is actually being said, not what they think some one will say.

To be honest I expected more of this forum and its members.

[Ancienne Alliance]

Funny as for sectarian that's a joke. My mother was Protestant and father Catholic, while I was raised Protestant and married, you guessed a Catholic?? I would not know who I am supposed to not get on with, on that subject as my family is so muddled up.

I am disappointed that Phil jumped to wrong assumptions. That's what political correctness has done to people nowadays every one is looking to find a problem with no knowledge of the people involved. He could of just PM me and asked if he thought I was being, I don't know sectarian rather than have it in his mind. It could easily been cleared up. I'm disappointed that's how he interprets innocuous comments to be honest.

I honestly feel this is a major problem on some forums in that people have a hard time with messages and assume the worst. Now I personally drink in the local Rangers pub at times in my Irish National and we all get on well. I would urge people to check what is actually being said, not what they think some one will say.

To be honest I expected more of this forum and its members.

This is why we set NO Politics as a rule here on XMTS. Perhaps we should add No sports !


Best,

Robert