Difficulty of Matriculating Arms?

[Jack Daw]

I am an armiger, bearing arms granted by Lord Lyon. I inherited them upon the death of my father. He matriculated his arms from those granted to his forebearer...We petitioned Lord Lyon for a grant of arms to my g-g-g grandfather, Donald McLean, who was born in Scotland...My father then petitioned for a matriculation of those arms in his own name, as a male descendant of Donald...You must, if you are petitioning in memory of an anscestor, have the same surname as that person.

Regards,
Sandford

All your information is spot on with the LL's webby that I had read previously. Unfortunately, I was unaware that my last name had to match for whom I'm petitioning. I was going to petition for one of my Scottish great-grandfathers, but we do not share the same last name. I will need to work further on my surname genealogy a bit more before I can start that process, I suppose. Ho-hum. Thanks for sparing me wasted effort.

[macwilkin]

All your information is spot on with the LL's webby that I had read previously. Unfortunately, I was unaware that my last name had to match for whom I'm petitioning. I was going to petition for one of my Scottish great-grandfathers, but we do not share the same last name. I will need to work further on my surname genealogy a bit more before I can start that process, I suppose. Ho-hum. Thanks for sparing me wasted effort.

At one time, residents of former Spanish colonial possessions, such as Texas, could register arms with the Spanish Cronista Rey de Armas in Madrid. Since the passing of Don Vicente de Cadenas y Vicent in 2005, I am not sure as to what the current policy is towards the registering of foreign arms in Spain.

Note that registering arms is not the same as a grant of arms.

T.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Since Don Vicente's death the King of Spain has made no appointment to the office of Cronista Rey de Armas. That being the case, those persons resident in North America who wish to avail themselves of a substantive grant of arms, but do not meet the stringent requirements of the Lord Lyon or the Chief Herald of Ireland, may do so by applying to the Bureau of Heraldry in Pretoria, RSA.

[macwilkin]

Since Don Vicente's death the King of Spain has made no appointment to the office of Cronista Rey de Armas. That being the case, those persons resident in North America who wish to avail themselves of a substantive grant of arms, but do not meet the stringent requirements of the Lord Lyon or the Chief Herald of Ireland, may do so by applying to the Bureau of Heraldry in Pretoria, RSA.

Scott -- I would image the fees are much more reasonable as well, given the rand to dollar exchange.

T.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Well, yes, their fees are much less eye-watering than say, the College of Arms.

It is generally conceded that to have any sort of standing, arms need to be granted, confirmed, or recorded, by some sort of government authority. Assumed arms, or those devised by private bodies such as the American College of Heraldry, have no substantive basis in law and are therefore "not recognized" by the heraldic officers in the various offices of arms.

Something that I have always found amusing is the snobbery associated with "who granted your arms". No one office of arms has a monopoly on the nobility associated with a grant of arms. All granted arms are equal, and granted arms have always been the threshold of nobility, one that any virtuous and well deserving person may cross with comparative ease.