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13th December 09, 12:47 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
The 93rd didn't "lose" Chalmette -- whilst other British regiments broke and ran, the 93rd stood fast under a hail of fire from the Americans, and withdrew in good order when ordered.
T.
Have I missed a definition change for "win" and "lose"?
At the end of the engagement was the 93rd in possession of the field? They surely did not "win" nor "draw" and unless I am mistaken the alternative is still to "lose." That they acted honorably, is granted, even with terrible losses among the men AND officers.
May you find joy in the wee, ken the universe in the peculiar and capture peace in the compass of drop of dew
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13th December 09, 04:02 AM
#2
I believe Cajun's saying that yes the British lost the battle, but it wasn't lost due to the 93rd's actions that day, but by a number of frisson factors, good American marksmanship and some incompetence by other British units.
If you want a prime example of a stupid battle and futile loss of life, forget the Great War - New Orleans was it ! As we all know, the war had already finished and the combattant countries were at peace some weeks before. If only North America had the Napoleonic telegraph/semaphore system !
Last edited by Lachlan09; 13th December 09 at 04:09 AM.
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13th December 09, 05:29 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by Lachlan09
I believe Cajun's saying that yes the British lost the battle, but it wasn't lost due to the 93rd's actions that day, but by a number of frisson factors, good American marksmanship and some incompetence by other British units.
If you want a prime example of a stupid battle and futile loss of life, forget the Great War - New Orleans was it ! As we all know, the war had already finished and the combattant countries were at peace some weeks before. If only North America had the Napoleonic telegraph/semaphore system !
I thank you sir! That is exactly my point. A comment was made implying that the 93rd lost Chalmette because they were wearing trews. While that was most likely an attempt at humour, I simply wanted to point out that the 93rd performed honorably that day and held the line as long as they could. I never claimed that the 93rd "won" New Orleans, just that they (the 93rd) certainly didn't lose it for the British.
T.
Last edited by macwilkin; 13th December 09 at 05:37 AM.
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13th December 09, 08:53 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
I thank you sir! That is exactly my point. A comment was made implying that the 93rd lost Chalmette because they were wearing trews. While that was most likely an attempt at humour, I simply wanted to point out that the 93rd performed honorably that day and held the line as long as they could. I never claimed that the 93rd "won" New Orleans, just that they (the 93rd) certainly didn't lose it for the British.
T.
No attempt at humor my good sir. Simply pointing out that in every other engagement in which they were kilted, they ended up victorious. They change to breeks and have a different outcome.
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13th December 09, 09:20 PM
#5
 Originally Posted by Bigkahuna
No attempt at humor my good sir. Simply pointing out that in every other engagement in which they were kilted, they ended up victorious. They change to breeks and have a different outcome.
Again, the 93rd did better than many of the other British units deployed that day. I don't think I buy your theory. 
T.
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13th December 09, 09:26 PM
#6
The imitation belted plaid idea was withdrawn in 1810 (after those luckless Highland regiments had been de-kilted) and the fly plaid introduced instead, just hanging off the shoulder. The fly-plaid is also seen in the 79th's portrait of 1852.
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14th December 09, 08:32 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Again, the 93rd did better than many of the other British units deployed that day. I don't think I buy your theory.
T.
I am not proposing a theory, only stating a fact. If I was proposing a theory, I could say something like the 93rd would have swept the American forces from the field if they had the power of the kilt on their side that day. But I didn't say that.
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14th December 09, 10:09 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by Bigkahuna
I am not proposing a theory, only stating a fact. If I was proposing a theory, I could say something like the 93rd would have swept the American forces from the field if they had the power of the kilt on their side that day. But I didn't say that.
Sounds like a theory to me.
You're not taking into account that the 93rd was only one unit of many in the British forces that day at Chalmette, and that a number of factors caused the British defeat at New Orleans, such as the aforementioned scaling ladders forgotten by the 44th Regiment of Foot that morning. By this logic, the 74th Regiment should not have been victorious at Seringgapatam & Assaye in India because they were not in kilts, but in breeks due to the tropical climate.
T.
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