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14th April 10, 07:22 AM
#11
 Originally Posted by Micric
Jock,
You seem to have the knack of always saying just the right thing!
Er------not always!
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14th April 10, 07:23 AM
#12
 Originally Posted by MacBob
The Roman Catholic v Protestant was an underlying issue as potestand William of Organe had deposed Roman catholic James II. No doubt the positioning of clans was further complicated by some seizing the opportunity to use the conflict to settle scores with others.
Quite aware of that, since I teach that every semester in relation to the Glorious Revolutions' effect on the American colonies. 
My point was though that in Scotland, the Episcopal Church, which had been disestablished after William took the throne, and replaced by the Kirk, was persecuted on several occasions, and many "pisskies" threw in with BPC hoping the situation would be reversed. Not all Protestants favoured the Government side, and there were even some Presbyterians who allied with the Jacobites -- not many, but we can't say EVERY Protestant was a Hanoverian.
Apologies for the ramblings of a pedantic pedagogue. 
T.
Last edited by macwilkin; 14th April 10 at 08:05 AM.
Reason: Thanks, Bob!
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14th April 10, 07:41 AM
#13
Culloden wasn't just another battle, but a tragedy, quite apart from any politcal or regligious maneuverings that mean little today.
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14th April 10, 07:44 AM
#14
 Originally Posted by MacBean
Culloden wasn't just another battle, but a tragedy, quite apart from any politcal or regligious maneuverings that mean little today.
True enough. But in order to understand it, we need to discuss those things at times.
I promise I'll stop talking shop in the mess now. 
T.
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14th April 10, 07:45 AM
#15
Hello Cajunscot. I agree that those who have suffered any form of persecution would choose a cause that they may not wholly agree with, but would go along with it to try to redress wrongs visited upon them.
Nothing is ever straightforward is it
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14th April 10, 07:53 AM
#16
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Quite aware of that, since I teach that every semester in relation to the Glorious Revolutions' effect on the American colonies.
My point was though that in Scotland, the Episcopal Church, which had been disestablished after William took the thrown, and replaced by the Kirk, was persecuted on several occasions, and many "pisskies" threw in with BPC hoping the situation would be reversed. Not all Protestants favoured the Government side, and there were even some Presbyterians who allied with the Jacobites -- not many, but we can't say EVERY Protestant was a Hanoverian.
Apologies for the ramblings of a pedantic pedagogue.
T.
Editor at work: King Billy took the "throne," Todd. Sorry to nitpick.
Virtus Ad Aethera Tendit
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14th April 10, 08:03 AM
#17
 Originally Posted by Bob C.
Editor at work: King Billy took the "throne," Todd. Sorry to nitpick.
No worries, Bob.
I've got something on my mind, and that's a result of said worry.
T.
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14th April 10, 08:04 AM
#18
 Originally Posted by haukehaien
But it was one of the issues, and certainly one which people of the time would have considered when choosing sides; the relative weight of the issue in the decision would have (naturally) varied from person to person. There were no doubt those for whom it was the pre-eminent issue, and others for whom the other issues mentioned would have played a larger role.
You miss my meaning though; my point was that not every Protestant was against the Jacobites. I wasn't dismissing the issue outright, but trying to clarify a point.
T.
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14th April 10, 08:09 AM
#19
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
No worries, Bob.
I've got something on my mind, and that's a result of said worry.
T.
Whatever is worrying you, I hope it works out favorably.
Virtus Ad Aethera Tendit
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14th April 10, 09:28 AM
#20
Well, I shall wear a Irish tartan that day, in rememberance of the Irish Brigade, the Irish Jacobites in the French army that served in that conflict.
Order of the Dandelion, The Houston Area Kilt Society, Bald Rabble in Kilts, Kilted Texas Rabble Rousers, The Flatcap Confederation, Kilted Playtron Group.
"If you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk"
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