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5th November 10, 01:54 PM
#1
And have a good weekend everyone!
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5th November 10, 01:57 PM
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I think you mean CHINA for pasta, the Italians are all copy-cats.
Oh, yes, Artificer, you're absolutely correct!! I'm sorry!! Oh, and how about South America??...tomatoes came from there. Those darn Italians, copying from everyone!
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5th November 10, 02:04 PM
#3
 Originally Posted by denmcdough
Oh, yes, Artificer, you're absolutely correct!! I'm sorry!! Oh, and how about South America??...tomatoes came from there. Those darn Italians, copying from everyone!
Don't forget the Irish and the potatos... Copycats- it's all stolen from Central America.
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5th November 10, 02:17 PM
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entertaining the idea
What if there was some sort of set of qualifiers added to the word "kilt" or perhaps different terminology? Does anyone think that would satisfy Mr. Hawthorne?
In the same way as not-all whisky is Scotch, maybe a Scottish/Scotch/Scots Kilt would need to fit some version of Hawthorne's exacting standard of excellence. Anything else would be merely a kilt, with no additional designation.
Or some sort of banner sewn into the tag of kilt like we see in Canada on music CDs? The MAPL logo specifies the Canadian-ness of the origin of the music, artist, production, and lyrics by showing black with a white letter in each part of the pie if the song/CD qualifies. If some aspect doesn't qualify, it would be white with a black letter:

Or if a Hawthorne spec kilt was called by it's Gaelic name to differentiate it?
- Justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt
- An t'arm breac dearg
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5th November 10, 02:32 PM
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 Originally Posted by CMcG
Scottish/Scotch/Scots Kilt
However, not even a majority of Scots would agree with Mr. Hawthorne's definition.
Therefore I think they would have to define it as a "Hawthorne Kilt" and any thing else as "authentic".
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5th November 10, 10:43 PM
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 Originally Posted by denmcdough
OK, Nighthawk, let's get it right...Barb is located in New York! LOL
There are many great kilt makers the world over. Let's not say that a kilt can only come from Scotland.
I agree with many here, there's room for cheapo stuff, and quality. It's that way with everything!
Who's the lady in Albuquer... However It's Spelled, New Mexico? I could have sworn it was Barb...
"Two things are infinite- the universe, and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein.
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5th November 10, 10:53 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by Nighthawk
 Who's the lady in Albuquer... However It's Spelled, New Mexico? I could have sworn it was Barb...
Would it be Cathy Lare(I think I have spelled it correctly) that you are thinking of?
" Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.
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5th November 10, 11:30 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
Would it be Cathy Lare(I think I have spelled it correctly) that you are thinking of?
That's the one!! Thank you. I couldn't pull her name out of my brain. So if I get a garment made by Cathy Lare, is it not a kilt because it's made in New Mexico? Would someone in the know be able to look at a Lare and tell that it's not made in Scotland?
So let's apply this logic to other things. There is a breed of cat that I think is rather beautiful called a Russian Blue. They originated in Siberia, hence the name. Here's what one looks like:

By the logic of this kilt maker, a Russian blue born on Colorado would not be a Russian blue, but something else. I'm at a loss as to how the geographical location of the creation of a thing changes it's basic nature. It's like my sister in law insisting that the kilt outside of Scotland is nothing but a skirt, and that men wearing them are cross dressers. By this same logic, a French poodle in Germany could become a German shepherd. I don't see how this works. It seems a lot like alchemy to me- lead can become gold because... well... I said so! This is not meant to be arguementative, although I know it sounds that way- I'm just trying to understand how a Lare, Newsome or Tewksberry is not a kilt simply because of where they're made!
Jock, you brought up the alcohols. That's different. The ingredients from the local environs plays a large part. Takisker is vastly different from Laphroig. One is from the Isle of Skye, and the other is from Islay. You can taste the difference because of what they are made from and the recipe. Sheep wool is sheep wool is sheep wool! (Granted there are sheep made for eating and sheep made for wearing!) Tartan woven in Denver, from modern dyes, is the same as tartan woven in Shetland from the same dyes! There's no genuine difference. The ingredients and weaving method are all the same. The chemicals in the dyes work the same, the looms work the same. The only difference is the geographical location in which the raw materials and equipment are located. Getting back to my cat analogy, how does the geographical location of the birth of a thing fundamentally alter it's basic nature? I'm trying really hard to understand... but I just don't get it!
Last edited by Nighthawk; 5th November 10 at 11:52 PM.
"Two things are infinite- the universe, and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein.
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